Actual Churches?

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23 Feb 2013 06:09 #95508 by
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This old bag. My view on the matter is simple. Jediism is not currently in a place where it needs a physical temple/church or a place where it would be all that practical. It's not that I do not enjoy the idea but it's simply not in a place where we don't have more important things to worry about.

One should view themselves and their home as their temple. Were there others in my area, I'd be happy to offer my home as a 'temple'.

The virtual presence is our best bet for now until Jediism can sort itself out. It is in that spirit that really we do not have to go far as the work has been done for us. There are already Jedi temples on SL that sit empty most of the time that we could use. Of course we don't even need SL with sites like this? I mean aside from a visual representation, what would we really hope to do that we can't already do on a website?

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09 Apr 2013 14:35 - 09 Apr 2013 14:36 #102180 by
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Haha, I remember posting quite a bit to this thread, back when I was adamant that we were able to reasonably build, maintain, and thrive under a physical Jedi monastery. In the time that I was absent from here, my views have changed somewhat.

A large Temple or monastery at this time would be highly unreasonable. In all actuality, it would have to start small and build into something larger. Ideally, we could start with two buildings (worship/meditation center and housing)and grounds. We should build it (and the building would be rather cheap, considering that, as a means to further ourselves along the path to self-sustainment, we would do the construction ourselves) in a semi-remote location near a metropolitan area, so that we would be able to meditate in peace, while still being of use to the community. To garner funds for the sustainment of the monastery, we could (and in my honest opinion, should) offer classes in such things as Tai-Chi, yoga, and the like. We could teach classes on anything and everything. The funds generated by such activities would be small at first, but as we branch out, eventually to the point where we could sell our excess goods, our funds would increase proportionate to our exposure. As we earn more funds for the monastery, we could use those funds to both pay for utilities and expand the monastery.

I agree with several of my esteemed colleagues that a library would be extremely beneficial in the long run to the monastery, but it is not an immediate concern. The library could and probably should be one of the first expansions that is included in the monastery plans. Contrary to my colleagues, however, I believe that the library should not be limited to writings of others, but also include our own writings as well. Every person sees the world differently, and their thoughts would be a welcome addition to the monastic library.

On the topic of funds, the easiest way to start would be to gather information on such things as recycled building materials. From what I've been able to learn, recycled materials are, on average, about a third of the price of new materials, and if we are in an area that is wealthy in natural resources, we can garner our own resources for building. It would be difficult work, but most definitely worth it.
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13 Apr 2013 06:22 #102919 by
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Ok, this may seem a bit redundant and useless, but I wanted to flesh out my ideas for any Temple that may be created.

Insomnia is one way to let the mind wander and go over all of the data one has received. I find myself drifting through various ideas that are going through my head.

First and foremost, the idea of being a Jedi itself. Yes, Jediism is loosely based within the fiction that Lucas created, but it's ideals are so much more than that. It is a framework in which we can better our own lives and the lives of those around us. It is a way to find peace with one's self and one's surroundings.

Secondly, the idea of unification. For some reason unfathomable to me, mankind loathes the idea of cooperation and sharing of ideas. Unification of the various Jedi orders is a rather lofty goal, and a worthy one, at that, but it requires two mindsets that are all but extinct in this modern world: cooperation and selflessness. Unification would be a great step forward in proving the legitimacy of Jediism (and even Sithism) to the world, so that instead of people looking at us like we have lost our minds, they would look at us with respect.

Third, and most lengthy, is the idea of a physical temple. This one idea has kept me up countless nights. I have the ideas, and I have the determination to make it happen, but something keeps holding me back. Now, I am by no means an expert on anything Jedi-related, but it is a common fact that a group is much more than just the sum of it's parts. I've seen quite a few questions posed that bear direct and honest answers:
Self-sustainment seems to be one of the biggest things we tend to think about. Arguably, the first 1 to 3 years would be based solely on survival. We can't sustain something that is failing after three years. The first three years would be solely focused on building none but the most basic buildings needed for survival: i.e. housing, storage, etc. etc. The gardens that both feed the Temple and provide a source of beauty would also be started at this time.

After three years, we would be growing enough foodstuffs that we would be able to store a significant portion for hard times, and still be able to sell whatever is left. At the beginning of the fourth year, we could build the library, which not only would house the written works of philosophers, astronomers, scientists, and metaphysicists, but also our own writings as well. There would also be a significant computer presence in the area (more on that a bit later).

After the library is built (no more that midway through the fifth year, no later than the beginning of the sixth year), we can begin planning and construction of the Academy itself. I use the term academy, because, quite simply, the entire complex would be considered the Temple. The Academy would have to be welcoming to anyone of any faith, while still retaining our "style" as Jedi. The Academy itself would house not only the various worship centers, but also house as the administrative headquarters for the Academy. The Academy will be the greatest undertaking of the Temple since it's conception.

After the Academy is built and is functional (no later than the seventh year), we can begin to work for the future. We can build an orphanage/school, where we can help the orphans and abandoned of the world. By this time, we should be well set up with the community projects and the like, so we can afford to transport children who are from nearby countries (or states if in the USA) so that they would have a place to call home. These children would never know anything but love, since that is one of the primary emotions of the Jedi Path: love for mankind in it's entirety. Once we have the orphanage/school built, we can petition for grants by the government which would help with the financial situation quite a bit.

Now, just from what I've described, the Temple would sound like a major city in and of itself, but it isn't. In keeping with TOTJO's symbol, the Temple would be arranged in a similar fashion: the Academy would be in the place of the 16-pointed start, each of the white points of the five pointed star would be a separate building (housing, storage, orphanage/school, etc.) Yes, it seems like quite a few buildings, but the dark areas of the symbol would be nothing but gardens: food, meditation, or pure aesthetic gardens.

As I mentioned earlier, there will be technology at the Temple. It's an unavoidable fact of life that technology is here to stay. Many of the things we do would be done by hand, so that Initiates, Apprentices, and Younglings (from the orphanage) would learn the value of good, hard work. But, technology would enable us to open the world to the students and allow them to see exactly what they can help alleviate. Instead of technology ruling our lives, we are allowing it to augment a life worth living. We are not trying to close ourselves off from the world, we are seeking our own place in the world, without relying on ones and zeros to "spread the message" about Jediism.

I will be the first one to admit, I'm not a likely candidate to lead the Temple. I haven't been granted the rank of Apprentice, so my credibility has not been built with TOTJO, yet. Therein lies the biggest issue: support. Many of us are close-minded about the Temple because we honestly believe that we aren't ready for it. In my opinion, that's a platitude, born out of fear. We will keep telling ourselves that until someone goes out into the world and actually succeeds in creating it. The Temple does not have to be lavish, but it will be lavished with all of our love, because it is born out of our love for each other, and for mankind in general. It will grow, expand, be used as an example (both good and bad), and in the end, will rival anything that any religion has ever had, simply because we love it so much. I know that, since this is in my journal, and is quite simply, my simple ravings about things outside of my control, there will not be any replies to this, so I simply ask that anyone who reads this and finds it either interesting or plausible, send me a PM with ideas or encouragement. It would be most helpful.

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14 Apr 2013 06:33 #103085 by Whyte Horse
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Yeah I wish we had some land in Costa Rica...

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14 Apr 2013 15:02 #103120 by
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This had been talked about in so many threads. Its nice to dream, and I personally would LOVE a physical temple to be in. I've dreamt of it (yes I actually had dreams), drawn it, discussed it and overall obsessed over it. But truth be told, it probably won't happen for years.

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16 Apr 2013 06:09 #103401 by Whyte Horse
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I had a dream about Jedi street... similar to Sesame street there was:
Jestor Monster - something about cookies
Count Akkarinula
El-VTog-mo
Br. John the Frog
etc, hehe jk. But I did have a Jedi street dream.

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29 Apr 2013 02:37 #105043 by
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Reading through this I realize I do not feel the need to meet with other Jedi for religious/philosophical purposes like there would be in a church. Jediism to me seems more like a school than a church. I do not feel the need to just sit and listen, I feel a yearning to interact. I feel like there should simply be a meeting place. Where Jedi can meet and share ideas in person without the interference of a computer screen between them. Somewhere where there can be a natural feeling of peace and togetherness and intellectual as well as spiritual growth. Meditation places would be a nice feature as some simply have trouble meditating fully at home but having to "show off" your faith to others in a physical place just seems silly and unnecessary.

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29 Apr 2013 03:13 #105046 by
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Larrus, your idea for a Temple sounds beautiful!
Maybe someday it can be a reality.

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06 May 2013 04:05 #105832 by
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I own ten acres in the San Luis Valley in Colorado. Im working on building a cabin/house there now, and I would really love to build a temple. I plan on building a dojo/temple and I would love for it to be with the Temple for Jedi purposes. I have learned various green/cheap/alternative building techniques, and that is what I plan to use. I would donate my time, resources, and part of my land to build a Jedi temple. I believe the San Luis Valley is a really good place to build such a temple. There are over two dozen spiritual centers/monasteries already there. I was planning on opening a school kinda thing there, where I could teach about brewing beer, permaculture, aquaponics, organic gardening, marijuana growing, etc and kind of have a monk/hermit thing going on, but I would totally love and be enthralled if we could make it a Jedi temple/monastery.

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06 May 2013 04:11 #105833 by Brenna
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Whyte Horse wrote: I had a dream about Jedi street... similar to Sesame street there was:
Jestor Monster - something about cookies
Count Akkarinula
El-VTog-mo
Br. John the Frog
etc, hehe jk. But I did have a Jedi street dream.


Oh gosh that really made me giggle :D



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