Actual Churches?

RiddleNox wrote: Michael: some people need holy. Others do not.

For some it adds. For some it takes away.

For the people that need it; it is an obsession and a want.

Is it not possible to engage with the holy without being obsessive?

MJ Hannigan wrote: Would you like some names and adresses for people who do this now without calling their meeting places churches or temples?

Why does it matter what names people give to things? Are names not just words used for ease of description?

V-Tog wrote:

RiddleNox wrote: Michael: some people need holy. Others do not.

For some it adds. For some it takes away.

For the people that need it; it is an obsession and a want.

Is it not possible to engage with the holy without being obsessive?

MJ Hannigan wrote: Would you like some names and adresses for people who do this now without calling their meeting places churches or temples?

Why does it matter what names people give to things? Are names not just words used for ease of description?

Agreed V

At this Temple we focus more (primarily) on teaching the spiritual rather than the practical which is the main point of contention with the rest of the community

We are Jediist while they are Jedi Realist

Would it be preferential to call them "that guy's/gal's house" as opposed to a church? Bearing in mind that what those two things actually ARE is the same

I say it's a good thing to think about but (I speak in general and to everyone) don't get carried away. Please don't. It is neither wise nor realistic that this will happen

As Jestor said, we should try to contain ourselves with a prospect such as this and make sure that when it is done it is done in an organised and sensible way

V-Tog wrote:

RiddleNox wrote: Michael: some people need holy. Others do not.

For some it adds. For some it takes away.

For the people that need it; it is an obsession and a want.

Is it not possible to engage with the holy without being obsessive?

MJ Hannigan wrote: Would you like some names and adresses for people who do this now without calling their meeting places churches or temples?

Why does it matter what names people give to things? Are names not just words used for ease of description?

Actually that was pretty much the point I was going for. Why get hung up on a name. Start a Jedi Group, have a jedi room in your house and call it whatever you want.

In TKD we have dojans, in karate it is a dojo, other places a studio, or a training hall. In the end they are all open spaces to practice martial arts. When I practice TKD outside in the drive way it is still a drive way but for me like everything else in this world it is my dojan.

I, for one, would love to see the establishment of actual "Temples" for lack of a better term. It would make the training of Initiates and Apprentices much easier, more free-flow, and more fun. Learning on the forum is all well and good from a spiritual perspective, but to learn real-world applications of spiritual lessons requires an example, whether in the form of a Knight taking his first apprentice and passing down the teachings of his/her Master, or a seasoned Master with three or more Apprentices doing the same thing. Person-to-person interaction is a powerful thing. As in the Star Wars Saga (I recognize that Jediism is based on principles of the SW Jedi, not in realistic applications), the Padawan never strayed far from his Master for very long. Spontaneous and random events make for more lasting lessons than quoting rhetoric or theory. All that being said, it would be futile to establish a permanent Temple anywhere, both due to the disparity between different Temples (TOTJI and TOTJF for example) and the physical limitations surrounding an online ministry. It would be wiser and more prudent in the present to establish a core group of Knights, Apprentices, and Initiates with a firm understanding of the Force, the Code, the Creed, and beliefs, so that when that momentous day arrives when we can step foot into the Jedi Temple for the first time, we'll already have a solid core of teachers and acolytes on hand to direct, teach, and guide any newcomers to the Force. Nothing draws more people than a physical presence, but it is futile to try and establish a physical Temple while the Jedi Order is as fractured as it is. Until the Jedi Realist, Jediist, Force User Temples, and other disparate groups reach some form of consensus about governance, policy, and training regime, there won't be enough backing, both political and financial to build and maintain the Temple the way it should be.

Larrus wrote: Until the Jedi Realist, Jediist, Force User Temples, and other disparate groups reach some form of consensus about governance, policy, and training regime, there won't be enough backing, both political and financial to build and maintain the Temple the way it should be.

And thus the crux of the issue is reached

le sigh. Since when did people start taking poetry literally?

I didn't mean obsession.

RiddleNox wrote: le sigh. Since when did people start taking poetry literally?

I didn't mean obsession.

When its not pointed out as poetry.... My bad...

My misunderstanding goes to point out a very prevalent problem with forums.... lol...

Apologies RiddleNox.....:silly: [/color]

It's actually, most likely, my fault. hahah. This is why the internet can be not as effective as we'd like for communication purposes. But! I can concede that it isn't an obsession. I would be the last to make that assumption.. there's a Marcus Aurelius quotation in there somewhere about only worrying about yourself. hahah.

But, reading it again as a poem, does it make more sense?

We also use voice and video one on one and group discussions. The two main ways are on Google+ and Skype. There's even talking to people on the phone! :ohmy: It's not just forums. Forums have advantages and disadvantages.

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A church is community of kindred spirits. If your temple is not wherever you are you'll find it nowhere else.

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The first buildings for TOTJO will probably be self sustaining monasteries with guest quarters.

Br. John, the monastic ideal of the Jedi Temple is incredibly appealing to me. Due to my situation in life as it is at the moment, spending any length of time at a self-sustaining Temple would do wonders for anyone who is facing difficulties in their life. Growing our own vegetables and herbs would foster a tangible idea behind us loving and having respect for all life. Being at the Temple would foster a stronger Master-Apprentice bond, with organized classes and meditation times, and to include some ideas from another forum thread, it would also allow us to develop more of a Jedi culture independent of the films.