Force Powers

Why do you take that as a threat? Change perhaps or the unknown which is often scary yet i do not sense any threat yet more of an expression of mind growth. As jedi some do grow in their thinking patterns

Lol seems like everything I say is seem very negatively. I didnt mean a REAL revolution. I just meant it seems there are a lot here that believe in force powers and maybe can get together and talk about it.

Steamboat...honestly you take no one seriously except yourself mr ordained person who is going to show us the ways of the force. Yet also you come on here talking condescendingly and say this temple is a waste of time then back to your life is what i get from your vibes here. Why are you even here and oh congrats on your son by the way. Yet some things are just not lining up with you and i am curious to know more for you've said some whiney things lately.
Is everything okay and if you ever need support we are here for you just so you know. Hope your well and mtfbwy

I understood what you meant and energy is like a tuning fork that you'll attract the same energies yet a certain percentage will only understand you. There are many energies here and not saying your feeling bad yet also i am proud of you for saying what you said. Stand your ground and believe always for you said something people needed to hear. If they get offended it's usually for a good reason for you pushed their boundaries a little which most people will react like that.

Don't we manipulate energy all the time? It's in the form of electricity, gathering energy from wind, fuels, using tools to achieve such ends that people would call you a wizard for, had you traveled back in time and showed all the technological marvels we have done. And the mind itself is much more powerful than you think. I mean all have an aura. Who is to say that using one's aura cannot achieve certain effects. We're already achieving that, just through different means. How can someone even say they believe in gods or the force, but thinks that manipulation of any kind of force with our body and mind is impossible. Lots of things we used to think was impossible, yet people, one after another, proved them wrong.

It also depends on how it's done as using the force or magic or anything is more subtle than people may imagine and anyone who has practiced it knows what I'm talking about. If I do blessing on someone, it has taken affect. It depends all on the person being affected much like how chemicals may have different effects on different people. Some will be able to absorb energy and connect with it more easily than others. But just because one hasn't seen it, doesn't mean it didn't take affect. I mean our actions and words cause great influence. Look at all the speakers we have and musicians. They constantly influence others to inspire to feel certain emotions or feel certain things.. Who is to say uttering certain words, in a certain time and performing certain actions can't perform powers? Thing is it's not all like how it is in the movies and the problem is when people claim to do certain things, people will assume they are claiming to do what the movies show. Or like how there are fake psychics even though there are real psychics in the mix and you have to find the right one.

I have witnessed certain psychokinetic events, rituals ect. And know they are all very real. I know some who claim such powers can be fakes, but it isn't wise to dismiss it as all trickery. Powers are usually known by experiencing and cannot all be observed through a microscope. And that also shows that because one does not see it it doesn't mean it isn't there. We can't see germs without a certain lens. Does that mean germs never existed until we found them? No they were always there. We needed a certain lens to see it. And the third eye is often the "lens" you need to see things your eyes can't see.

I sometimes think that a disbeliever will not believe it in because one may not want to even if it is in front of their face. Even if they know deep down they have experienced things that no text book could explain or any science teacher could touch on. Because the idea of people having certain powers scares people. Wouldn't it scare you to know there may be people who can use certain abilities, to manipulate others and could use them for good but also ill will, and that there are dimensional beings one cannot even see directly but know deep down they are there? I think it may scare some others because certain things are not what people understand or want to understand and so they may call them crazy because they don't know what else to call them when they hear something not of the status quo and goes beyond their level of comprehension. I'm not going to pretend every single thing in the bible and other spiritual texts is 100% correct because it isn't. Some are exaggerations or just lies but there is some truth to this. Can't pretend everyone who claims such powers is telling the truth because some do lie and make stuff up, but that doesn't mean the power does not exist just because that person cannot wield it.

Well I hope the knights and mods are paying attention, now.

Mira wrote: The elephant is held there by telepathy not telekinesis though right?

This was a popular trope in motivational speaking for a time. Baby elephants get chained around their ankle and the chain is attached to a stake in the ground. As babies, they are not strong enough to pull the stake out. Eventually they accept that they are stuck to that spot and for the rest of their lives will accept their fate even though as adults they are strong enough to escape if they would only try. This is the trope, anyway, and its used to suggest to people that their limitations are only in their minds: that they could escape the chains of their own lives if only they would realize their own power.
While i do actually support the idea that empowering messages can help people improve themselves, the reality of this trope is that its BS: elephants are highly intelligent and adaptive and will keep pushing and prodding against captivity for their entire lives. Once an elephant is big and strong enough to pull the stake out of the ground, it will pull the stake out of the ground and run away. Which totally defeats the intended message of the elephant trope.

This topic was only started by one person who ask a simple Yes or no question.
" can anyone teach me telekinesis"

It seems like most of the people on this forum either in no way can help or dont even understand what's going on. should maybe move to a different Topic.

forceuser wrote: This topic was only started by one person who ask a simple Yes or no question.
" can anyone teach me telekinesis"

...and we answered.

No.
It doesn't fit with our model of reality.
It doesn't fit with our goals.
It's a waste of time to seek power without control.

Simple answers. That person just didn't like them.

forceuser wrote: It seems like most of the people on this forum either in no way can help or dont even understand what's going on. should maybe move to a different Topic.

How dare we respectfully respond to a question that's explicitly answered in the FAQ and Doctrine.

Speaking for myself, if you have telepathic powers change my mind, otherwise maybe you should move on to a forum that does teach you to level up your force powers. It's not like asking one more time, I'll all relent and go "Aw damn, we do know the secrets to these fictional powers, and were just joking with you. Since you mildly annoyed me by asking over and over, I'll teach you how to break the nature of reality."

All evidence welcome, all attempts at evidence welcome..... heck even all theories welcome, but if folk start to demand blind faith, then that is quite unrealistic outside of things like cults etc. Folk here rightly don't encourage or support cult mindsets, be it cult leader or cult follower.

forceuser wrote: The million people must be right pardon me if I have offended are caused you anger Or suspicion and doubt.
One question I will leave my fellow students
I think most of you will admit we all can believe it when we see it.
Is it possible are you even probable that in reality we may see it when we believe it?

forceuser wrote: You can have both let's start from day One.
1) Watch and learn why you can tie a small rope around the elephant's foot and he won't go anywhere.
2) day two study as much as you can on the placebo effect and watch the thousands of scientific experiments . start to open your mind of what is real.

Very small lesson not everything is as it seems.

Wake up wake up wake up.
I'm only asking you to not be so close minded you can't learn.
And don't be so open minded your brain falls out.

forceuser wrote: This topic was only started by one person who ask a simple Yes or no question.
" can anyone teach me telekinesis"

It seems like most of the people on this forum either in no way can help or dont even understand what's going on. should maybe move to a different Topic.

You know what I noticed about these replies? There is something missing from them... Something ZealotX, Rosalyn J, and myself requested right off the bat, as to some extent did JamesSand. Yet here we are. I, for one, find your lack of evidence disturbing...

By the way, do be careful about publicly introducing lessons on the TOTJO boards without either Knighthood or approval by the Knights. It is in direct violation of the Temple Rules, after all. It is left to the discretion of the moderators whether your first two steps instructions from post #346174 already qualify as unofficial teaching, of course, I'm just saying be careful. It wasn't a smart move on your part to call them a "lesson" either.

Yabuturtle wrote: I sometimes think that a disbeliever will not believe it in because one may not want to even if it is in front of their face. Even if they know deep down they have experienced things that no text book could explain or any science teacher could touch on.

And I sometimes think that one can find out how people would react by trying them instead of just sometimes thinking how they would and then proceed to never check.
What, specifically, is staring us in the face? What have we experienced that is not just unexplained but inexplicable? Usually the question goes something like "Would you believe in God if suddenly a message written in fire appeared on the sky proclaiming that its author is God?" but until anything like it ever happens, what are we talking about?

Because the idea of people having certain powers scares people. Wouldn't it scare you to know there may be people who can use certain abilities, to manipulate others and could use them for good but also ill will, and that there are dimensional beings one cannot even see directly but know deep down they are there? I think it may scare some others because certain things are not what people understand or want to understand and so they may call them crazy because they don't know what else to call them when they hear something not of the status quo and goes beyond their level of comprehension.

That's not evidence, is it? It's just an informal fallacy. Look at it, you're essentially saying that the sceptic/critic is not being honest with themselves and others, all because you can't fathom someone finding the complete lack of evidence anybody presented for the claim to be insufficient grounds on which to accept it. If the Truth^TM is so clear to you and your fellow believers, why do none of you make any effort to demonstrate it? Why do you need to question the emotional state of the doubter, what good does this do the discussion?

Can't pretend everyone who claims such powers is telling the truth because some do lie and make stuff up, but that doesn't mean the power does not exist just because that person cannot wield it.

The reason claims of this sort are broadly rejected is not because of an abundance of false claimants, but because of a complete lack of real ones outside of fiction, and a far-reaching incompatibility of the claims themselves with just about everything we know about how nature works. Once we have a confirmable instance of something like that actually happening outside of Star Wars, Carrie, and Matilda, then we have something to talk about. Until then, let's not speculate about how anyone would react to it, shall we...

I think the larger issue here isn't the "force powers" of the title, but in the method of discourse shown here.

It isn't that they don't/can't exist, because that's a secondary concern to the discussion. The prime offense here is the way that discussion is being held.

There are no cogent arguments, no logical follow-through, and while one side is open to evidence, there not only is none being presented, but that openness doesn't go both ways.

It's really a thread about finding an echo chamber and attacking those that would prevent it; the exact thing that won't work well in this Temple.

ok, EVIDENCE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSBaq3vAeY

I must apologize to everyone for my words I am definitely not a teacher or a master I'm not even a good student I spent 2 years in 2nd grade go figure.
I have been insensitive I too 100% believed and was raised these things did not exist and if any small chance that it did it was 100% from the Devil and you were going to hell.
So can you imagine One of my 1st experiences was when I stopped a soccer ball in mid flight and had it go the opposite direction and break a window over 200' away.
I was so scared I never told anybody that.
And John the boy right next to me is now a doctor who travels the world preaching and if you ask him.he will still tell you " I can't explain it all I can say is that it happened."
And the other things that people have seen with me really don't matter either.
I really do tell myself everyday live in the here and now and just be a good person because these things can't be right.
And very Sad and troubled for sharing my experiences and to that I Apologize to everyone. Because As we all can agree these things are impossible

Rosalyn J wrote: There has been talk of Jedi Mind Tricks but nothing about the art of effective communication.

also, I just want to point out that "trick" is in the name. It's not "Jedi Mind Wipe" or "Force Confusion".

Even in fiction it's understood to be a "trick"; a deception. Let me elaborate.

I believe most things in Star Wars have a real life analog. In this case it is Hypnosis. I believe there is a small amount of hypnosis in religion but I'll save that discussion for another day. What's relevant here is that if you look up hypnosis for information or to understand how it works you will see very quickly that it is based on real world science, not magic.

I wont go into the science here but it is interesting and I think, actually, should be discussed more in the IP along with meditation since the two are related.

Of course if a magician uses hypnosis in his act its going to look like magic. But its not. It's simply something most people just don't understand. Understanding a system and its rules and using it to a certain advantage is the basis of hacking. And there are black hat and white hat hackers just as there are light side and dark side force users (the system itself isn't light or dark, just like the Force ).

So just because a "hack" exists doesn't mean its magic.

Fyxe wrote:

Rosalyn J wrote:
We have no need for fictional superpowers when we can learn how to use our mind, body and spirit in order to assist others and ourselves

Why cant we have both?

But... you CAN have fictional superpowers! You can imagine yourself doing anything you want. But you can't have REAL superpowers because it doesn't exist and to say otherwise, just because we want them to, is forcing a superstition onto the Force based on our own desire for that thing to exist. Instead, we should accept everything that actually does exist. Because THAT is the Force. Do you see?

Many religions accept the idea of magic but when those religions were born people were incredibly superstitious and this led to even sacrificing virgins to volcanoes. But guess what? A volcano isn't a person and doesn't care if sacrifice a human body. It works based on pressure. If there's too much it will blow and no amount of prayer and fasting is going to stop it.

Jediism isn't simply Christianity with Jedi robes on, even though Jedi can be Christians too. If a person believes magic powers exist it is because they got that idea from other humans, not from the Force. So why should we argue over whether or not "to believe" in something that "the Force(tm)" never told us? And where does it end? Do I give magic to the Force today and then eyes and ears tomorrow? If I'm scared of dying do I then have to believe that the Force will bring me back as a Force Ghost? The things in Star Wars that are true are true but that's because they're based in reality. The things in Star Wars that are false are false because they're not based in reality but rather human imagination that also helps define religions because everything everyone knows about religion... (spoiler alert)

Fyxe wrote: ok, EVIDENCE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSBaq3vAeY

sorry, not watching a 40 minute rehash of quantum physics. Quantum physics is science, not magic. That's why we have quantum computers already. You can't use quantum physics to break physics. That's impossible. If you break a law in real life, the law doesn't become not a law anymore. You, if caught, go to jail and the law is still the law.

Things in science are laws when they CAN'T BE BROKEN. It's like 1+1=2. If you say, "but according to my new new math" 1+1=3, well sorry your "new new math" is simply wrong. If your "new new math" agrees with the old math then we can accept your new math as math. So in order for a theory in quantum physics to be accepted as law it cannot break physics. If its appears to do so you have understand why that is. The quantum world is the world of the very small. That's why it will behave differently, because there are forces acting on it that may be negligibly acting on larger objects. But it's not magic. It's just a new and exciting branch of science we're still trying to understand.

I must apologize to everyone for my words I am definitely not a teacher or a master I'm not even a good student I spent 2 years in 2nd grade go figure.
I have been insensitive I too 100% believed and was raised these things did not exist and if any small chance that it did it was 100% from the Devil and you were going to hell.

Even if he existed, the devil doesn't give people super powers either. How would that benefit him? What would be the motive? See, I'm not against you. I'm against any idea that doesn't logically make sense. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't makes sense because they've bought into ideas like this. The reality is that people made you believe that magic was from the devil. Did the Devil tell you that? No. Did God? No. The common denominator is people. And if neither God or the Devil told them then they were ALSO told by other people who were told by other people, and so on. This happens so much that many people just assume that its correct without question... without knowledge. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm simply dividing belief from knowledge.

So can you imagine One of my 1st experiences was when I stopped a soccer ball in mid flight and had it go the opposite direction and break a window over 200' away.

The wind is also capable of doing this. I know first hand how powerful wind can be, first hand. The wind took my entire roof off my house. So a small amount of wind can definitely stop a soccer ball. The problem with your retelling of events is that you assume you were controlling it. But it sounds like a fluke that you couldn't and never reproduced. It doesn't sound like you were trying to break a window. If you were controlling it then more than likely you wouldn't have had to go fetch it afterwards, but rather bring it to yourself. So, with all due respect, is it possible that you were the one who kicked or threw the ball but that the wind took it? If the wind was far enough from you a sudden gust may not even have been felt by you, especially if it was not moving in your direction. And how quickly did you dismiss the possibility that it was the wind? How quickly did you assume that somehow you did it?

As we all can agree these things are impossible

As I just explained, it is very possible for a ball to shift direction in mid air and break a window 200 feet away. There were forces acting on it, even if nothing strange happened. You have whatever kinetic energy you transferred to the ball as well as gravity as well as friction. A golfer has to take all these things into account even more so because the ball is so small. But it's also relatively heavy because its relatively solid/dense. A soccer ball as a more dense surface but its full of air. So even though its larger than a golf ball... you get the point. So its not that what you saw is impossible. What's impossible is your explanation/conclusion about what you saw.

You didn't see the air because it's invisible. So it's what you DIDN'T see that I question. I have provided a completely rational explanation for what you saw without being there; without being a witness, simply because I'm using science to give me other possibilities. If you don't entertain other natural possibilities then what are you left with except "magic"? If you cannot repeat what happened inside a controlled environment (inside the house to remove the possibility of wind) then you can't conclude that you were the one in control of the ball. So when I'm asking for evidence, this is why. And its not about not believing you. You would be wrong to be personally offended. It's about whether or not the IDEA itself is possible and you recording it would be proof of that. If you can't or wont do this then that makes me question if you believe it yourself. Call one of the knights here on Skype and do it on video chat. What better way to prove whatever the truth is?