Fact Checking Daniel M. Jones and The Church of Jediism

The problem is what Jedi also call it's strength, that being the forum it exists in, the internet. No one can be truly held accountable and there is no general populations that interact in a personal level. This temple can't even get it's communications consistent and so much gets misunderstood in text only that often times things escalate for no reason. So your right tris, i agree that it will probably never happen until Jedi start moving off the web and get into real life.

I'll go through this one lie at a time. In this post two since they are so close together in the book.

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As far as I was aware when I founded the Church of Jediism there were no other Jedi organizations. I believe I was the first to form an online group of note in 2007 via my website and Myspace.

However, it soon became apparent that other groups were rapidly forming online. Perhaps some of them were inspired by the example of my church and wanting to set up their own brand of Jediism, or perhaps it was simply a case of like minds and they weren’t aware of what I was doing. I truly don’t know and don’t really care who or what came first, but what I do know is that when some of them got in touch to criticize my teachings or accuse me of stealing their thunder I’d hear myself saying things to them like, “Do you know who I am? I put Jediism on the map not you guys. I’m out there doing all the media.” My ego was fuelled by negativity and defensiveness. It was becoming ugly. It was clearly time to practise what I preach about dealing with negativity and to check my ego. More about this in later chapters, but when you are presented with negativity you have to control your thoughts and not lash out, otherwise you energize or fuel the dark side of the Force and give it more power by becoming a negative Force yourself. You should never let your ego and the darkness of negativity take over and should always send out love and peace when there is hate and conflict.

Today, I reach out with love to all Jedi groups. We all regard Star Wars as a sacred text but we are all unique in our approach to the Force. For example, the Temple of the Jedi Order is a Christian Jediist group based on the teachings of Joseph Smith, and other groups have their own specific requirements to join. There are also more open-minded and inclusive groups such as the Jedi Realists, but the Church of Jediism remains the only significant Jedi organization in the world that embraces all religions and belief systems, including atheism. It is also blessed to receive interest from the media and to have a healthy membership. This doesn’t mean that bigger is better – simply that the Church of Jediism is a significant spiritual movement.

Daniel M. Jones. Become the Force: 9 Lessons on How to Live as a Jediist Master (Kindle Locations 1212-1226). Watkins Media. Kindle Edition.

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Let's see what he says here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7200531.stm .

"As children we always watched the Star Wars films anyway. We noticed that there were a couple of sites on the internet, Jedi church sites. We printed off a couple of sermons and did a sermon in our house for a couple of friends one night."

And here is where he emailed me about what site he copied the information from when he started his church. Remember he was not aware of any other Jedi churches or only Jedi organizations when he started his church. See any contradictions?



I've spoken with Daniel several times and we've emailed many times. He knows we are not a Christian Church and the Joseph Smith business is coming from only God knows where. Since when do we, and most other Jedi organizations discriminate on the basis of someone's religion or lack of it?

Yes. But was the Jedi sanctuary an active site? Did jones perceive it as an active site? Does it really matter? Is it worth perpetuating a war?

Jedi Sanctuary was very active and visible. They directly inspired TOTJO. A war?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Is it worth perpetuating a war?

I've been looking forward to this. >

Br. John wrote: Jedi Sanctuary was very active and visible. They directly inspired TOTJO. A war?

Honestly I don't know, I was not around then. But what is the definition of active? Do you not feel that actions of retaliation will not lead to a war?

War: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

So, prolly not. Instruments of peace and all that don't tend to lean kindly on open armed conflict.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Yes. But was the Jedi sanctuary an active site? Did jones perceive it as an active site? Does it really matter? Is it worth perpetuating a war?

Its not about a war.

It's about keeping to the Truth.

Jedi Sanctuary was indeed very active. It was actually the first to bring legal documents into the community for legitimate religious acts such as marriage ect ect. It was also the first to release pdf book's on Jediism.

Even IF Jones didn't know about it - When writing ANYTHING publicly with the claims of representing, leading and head charging an entire COMMUNITY. You as a Jedi....As a decent human being....should A: Do your Research B: Fact Check C: Provide Sources and Be clear in statements within the text.

Neither of which he did. He knew very well that he was lying and fabricating truths to get a bigger bone.

Arisaig wrote: War: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

So, prolly not. Instruments of peace and all that don't tend to lean kindly on open armed conflict.

Lol this is such BS. You know exactly what I mean and this is not it.

You want a war, then bring it on. Let's see who wins! I'll fight, I love to fight!

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Arisaig wrote: War: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

So, prolly not. Instruments of peace and all that don't tend to lean kindly on open armed conflict.

Lol this is such BS. You know exactly what I mean and this is not it.

You want a war, then bring it on. Let's see who wins! I'll fight, I love to fight!

If it is as you describe it, then why use the word "war" to describe what would be, at most, open and un-Jedi-like group-bashing?

and I never said I want a war. I prefer to solve conflict before it arises, keep it down, hold down a pillow. But if it rises, I'm not above doing what needs to be done.