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23 Apr 2013 06:29 #104259 by Adder
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I need meanings to inspire and motivate me, and endarkenment can do that with a Sith path. It fits the whole mytho's neatly IMO. I'm not so sure it works so well in a Jedi theme though.... perhaps quietude, at a stretch.

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23 Apr 2013 07:03 - 23 Apr 2013 07:11 #104263 by Alexandre Orion
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Just to throw in 2 cents, if I may --

In applied linguistics there is a term : the principle of infinite creativity.

According to this principle, meaning-bearing morphemes may be linked to convey what their meanings would suggest whether the word 'exists' or not. Little children do this when they are acquiring language, as do many second language learners. It is not 'proper' language, so to speak, but it does bear witness to an understanding of the function of specific morphemes in the language.

Endarkenment could be analysed thus :

En - process of cause, process of internalisation

Dark - adj. reflecting very little light/n. absence or minimum of light

- en - verb suffix of substantive dark

- ment - noun suffix which denotes the resulting state of the verb.

Endarkenment then is just a little bit redundant in its morphological composition, but in being so, supports a rather clear meaning. So, although we probably shall not find the word in the Oxford dictionary any-time soon, it is understandable and thereby not "stupid".


Besides, enlightenment exists as a word by the same composition, yet its given antonyms are bewilderment, confusion, ignorance, puzzlement.

Are they any more precise to express what is truly being said when one speaks of endarkenment in our present context ? Just asking ...

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23 Apr 2013 09:24 #104272 by Br. John
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Someone can be a human yet not a man. A blind person can truthfully say they see what I mean. A wicked old sorcerer might offer to enlighten you to the mysteries of the magical dark arts.

Has anyone looked this up? it's not a new term. I guess you could argue spelling (endarkment - endarkenment). On the other hand pantheism and panentheism are different things.

The term endarkenment is almost as old as the term age of enlightenment, and was originally asserted as a challenge to the idea that empirical science was inherently superior to spirituality as a way of describing the world.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Age_of_endarkenment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Endarkenment

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/15/endarkenment

When you say it endarkment sounds like endorkment.

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23 Apr 2013 11:44 #104278 by Alexandre Orion
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I'm sorry, Br. John, it wasn't my intent to annoy you ; for me it is just 'word fun' and also I don't enjoy seeing anyone say that a particular word is 'stupid' -- when it comes down to it, depending on how they're employed, they all can be ...

Endark(en)ment is not listed in the Cambridge, Oxford nor Merriam-Webster dictionaries, so I was just playing with a bit of morpho-syntax instead of doing in-depth etymological research. But even so ...

And even enlightenment these days is heard more as making something 'fat-free' than something spiritual (that too is supposed to be humour).

:cheer:

(I'll just go back into my library corner and be quiet now ...) :huh:

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23 Apr 2013 15:14 #104300 by
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On that note, it truly wise to say that words are stupid? Can words have intelligence due to their usefulness? Or is it the meaning and origin of the word that gives it unique value? When viewing language, everyone can measure words as they choose, so long as the way the describe their positions is what we define as logical. Does the word serendipity see much service in common speech? Or does it "sound/seem" silly to use? If you look past the sound and connotations of words themselves and view them as simple descriptors, then I reckon that arguing is redundant. I believe the key "measure" of a word should be attached to its purpose in describing something before it is judged otherwise. As Sid mentioned, "yeah, the word is stupid, but it has a use". On that note, I believe the word can be as smart or stupid as you wish it to be, dependant of course on your prior knowledge of the term. As Des said, the ideals behing words are another matter entirely, and we must respect the views of the creators while also blending words to our purpose. Respecting the origin, purpose, value and limitations with all things is a good way of gathering a relatively unbiased view on the world. Now, back to the Sith, do words associated with them and their ideals always have to be opposite to what the jedi doctrine outlines? George Orwell's 1984 is a great read for those wishing to get a better picture of this opposite language business. Unthink, ungood and endarkenment may all seem silly, yet they can be given connotation and meaning if accepted by a wide range of people.

That's my two cents worth,

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23 Apr 2013 16:19 #104312 by Br. John
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Alexandre Orion wrote: I'm sorry, Br. John, it wasn't my intent to annoy you ; for me it is just 'word fun' and also I don't enjoy seeing anyone say that a particular word is 'stupid' -- when it comes down to it, depending on how they're employed, they all can be ...

Endark(en)ment is not listed in the Cambridge, Oxford nor Merriam-Webster dictionaries, so I was just playing with a bit of morpho-syntax instead of doing in-depth etymological research. But even so ...

And even enlightenment these days is heard more as making something 'fat-free' than something spiritual (that too is supposed to be humour).

:cheer:

(I'll just go back into my library corner and be quiet now ...) :huh:


I was not directing my post at you or anyone in particular. It's only my thoughts in general on the subject. I might have misread endarkenment as endarkment. Is endarkment even on the table?

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07 Sep 2013 20:13 - 07 Sep 2013 20:14 #117540 by
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You could look into the Jedaii
who seek balance in the Force.
From the Jedaii came the Sith and the Jedi.
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24 Sep 2013 04:45 #119376 by
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Br. John wrote:

Alexandre Orion wrote: I'm sorry, Br. John, it wasn't my intent to annoy you ; for me it is just 'word fun' and also I don't enjoy seeing anyone say that a particular word is 'stupid' -- when it comes down to it, depending on how they're employed, they all can be ...

Endark(en)ment is not listed in the Cambridge, Oxford nor Merriam-Webster dictionaries, so I was just playing with a bit of morpho-syntax instead of doing in-depth etymological research. But even so ...

And even enlightenment these days is heard more as making something 'fat-free' than something spiritual (that too is supposed to be humour).

:cheer:

(I'll just go back into my library corner and be quiet now ...) :huh:


I was not directing my post at you or anyone in particular. It's only my thoughts in general on the subject. I might have misread endarkenment as endarkment. Is endarkment even on the table?


facts called.


They say the term don't exist

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