That's so gay!

ren wrote: I was discussing gay culture with another member the other day. He was complaining that nowadays homosexuals had to be young fit and hypersexual. I said I read an article where a veteran gay right activist was appalled by what his achievements were used for (basically he'd fought to be recognized as a normal person, yet modern homos don't act normal at all).

That veteran (and that member) would obviously think that a proper gay person is very different from what those new-gen gays think is a proper gay person. And while I would myself be quite happy to endlessly argue the pros and cons of being or not being shallow, they're always going to disagree because it simply is a matter of taste. there really is no point in making yourself feel bad just because you're failing to make someone think/feel like you do.

Surely all that's required to be a "proper gay person" is being sexually attracted to people of the same sex? Gay people like straight or bi people behave in different ways... they're not (necessarily) defined by their sexuality any more than anyone else is.

It's almost like saying someone's not a "proper black guy" if they don't wear a do-rag and carry an uzi... letting a stereotype cloud perception of what's "authentic". The black guy's a "proper black guy" however he behaves.

There is a member here that fears deeply what others think about their homosexuality.

They trust me and a few others, yet, I would love to refer the person to others with similar experience if the opportunity arises to do so.

So, if there are any Jedi here that want to be helpful in this way . . .please p.m. me.
If there are any members, that want to be helpful and anonymous, I can honor that also. Just let me know.

Thank You!

tzb wrote:

ren wrote: I was discussing gay culture with another member the other day. He was complaining that nowadays homosexuals had to be young fit and hypersexual. I said I read an article where a veteran gay right activist was appalled by what his achievements were used for (basically he'd fought to be recognized as a normal person, yet modern homos don't act normal at all).

That veteran (and that member) would obviously think that a proper gay person is very different from what those new-gen gays think is a proper gay person. And while I would myself be quite happy to endlessly argue the pros and cons of being or not being shallow, they're always going to disagree because it simply is a matter of taste. there really is no point in making yourself feel bad just because you're failing to make someone think/feel like you do.

Surely all that's required to be a "proper gay person" is being sexually attracted to people of the same sex? Gay people like straight or bi people behave in different ways... they're not (necessarily) defined by their sexuality any more than anyone else is.

It's almost like saying someone's not a "proper black guy" if they don't wear a do-rag and carry an uzi... letting a stereotype cloud perception of what's "authentic". The black guy's a "proper black guy" however he behaves.

Except people do think like this. What, you think no-one's ever been in trouble for not acting black enough? This happened to my wife. She doesn't act like proper diaspora you see. So she's not a real black african somehow. Some people don't even seem to understand why she doesn't know a word of patois.

ren wrote:

tzb wrote:

ren wrote: I was discussing gay culture with another member the other day. He was complaining that nowadays homosexuals had to be young fit and hypersexual. I said I read an article where a veteran gay right activist was appalled by what his achievements were used for (basically he'd fought to be recognized as a normal person, yet modern homos don't act normal at all).

That veteran (and that member) would obviously think that a proper gay person is very different from what those new-gen gays think is a proper gay person. And while I would myself be quite happy to endlessly argue the pros and cons of being or not being shallow, they're always going to disagree because it simply is a matter of taste. there really is no point in making yourself feel bad just because you're failing to make someone think/feel like you do.

Surely all that's required to be a "proper gay person" is being sexually attracted to people of the same sex? Gay people like straight or bi people behave in different ways... they're not (necessarily) defined by their sexuality any more than anyone else is.

It's almost like saying someone's not a "proper black guy" if they don't wear a do-rag and carry an uzi... letting a stereotype cloud perception of what's "authentic". The black guy's a "proper black guy" however he behaves.

Except people do think like this. What, you think no-one's ever been in trouble for not acting black enough? This happened to my wife. She doesn't act like proper diaspora you see. So she's not a real black african somehow. Some people don't even seem to understand why she doesn't know a word of patois.

People do...

Jedi, should not... At least this Jedi will not/does not (publicly)....

Of course, that being said, on Asian Saturday around my house, we speak broken English with bad accents...

I dont do it to make fun of Asians, but because I find their accents cute, lol... I can see how it would seem to an Asian that I am making fun of them, but I am not...

When I joined, I used to make fun of Christians, more specifcally, Catholics... You can find a thread early on with pictures I posted, thinking it was funny, and OK, as I am an ex-Catholic... But, one day, someone and I were talking, and it was pointed out to me how some of my Christian friends may think I am pissing on their beliefs...

I dont think I posted in that thread again....

Ren, I hope your wife realizes the world is full of buttheads... (She is married to you after all... jk,jk, I say with love!)

But, all the more, emphasizes the point I think...

Usually when someone says "that's so gay", I say "do you mean like two hot lesbians? Because if that's the case, I'm all in!"

That usually gets everyone to stop, and smile for a second, and then we can discuss why that phrase may not be appropriate anymore.

Jedi aren't like this? You're the one who finds asian accents funny but somehow not in a funny way. That's plain hypocrisy. Why not laugh at their english accent and let them laugh at your mandarin accent instead?

ren wrote: Jedi aren't like this?

I dont think I said "are" or "are not", I said "should not"...

And, as I always say, "we are practicing Jedi, not perfect jedi"....

You're the one who finds asian accents funny but somehow not in a funny way. That's plain hypocrisy. Why not laugh at their english accent and let them laugh at your mandarin accent instead?

And I am sure they do... lol... I do...

And how would I know? It's not like I speak the native language, and they, out of politeness, and concern for my ego, will not make fun of me publicly...

I acknowledge it might be taken as offensive, and therefore never do it in public... However, I know for myself that it is not meant in a mean way, cause I am not a mean, bully type person, and I think you know me well enough to know this...

As a young man, I used to get so mad at people who would speak their native tongue in front of me... Thinking they are making fun of me... I was so insecure... See a couple of gay guys giggling... I KNOW they were checking me out, probably making lewd comments and undressing me with their eyes! I was a jerk... lol.. (some may say still are, lol)

What a child I was, lol...

I enjoy dark humor... I like being made fun of... I like making fun of the stereotypes... I really like Eminem because of his self depreciating humor in his songs...

Jestor wrote:

ren wrote: Jedi aren't like this?

I dont think I said "are" or "are not", I said "should not"...

And, as I always say, "we are practicing Jedi, not perfect jedi"....

You're the one who finds asian accents funny but somehow not in a funny way. That's plain hypocrisy. Why not laugh at their english accent and let them laugh at your mandarin accent instead?

And I am sure they do... lol... I do...

And how would I know? It's not like I speak the native language, and they, out of politeness, and concern for my ego, will not make fun of me publicly...

I acknowledge it might be taken as offensive, and therefore never do it in public... However, I know for myself that it is not meant in a mean way, cause I am not a mean, bully type person, and I think you know me well enough to know this...

As a young man, I used to get so mad at people who would speak their native tongue in front of me... Thinking they are making fun of me... I was so insecure... See a couple of gay guys giggling... I KNOW they were checking me out, probably making lewd comments and undressing me with their eyes! I was a jerk... lol.. (some may say still are, lol)

What a child I was, lol...

I enjoy dark humor... I like being made fun of... I like making fun of the stereotypes... I really like Eminem because of his self depreciating humor in his songs...

Then why promote the feeling insecure route over the everyone laughs route? How is it Jedi to encourage a system where people are constantly being manipulated by their emotions (and as such being manipulated by other people through their emotion) instead of a system where no-one takes anything too personally?

I agree we should give others the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I may have been hurt, but more often than not they are expressing a feeling, not a deeply researched hatred.

And yes, Jestor, if all my friends were jumping off a bridge, I would too....

They are all pretty much levelheaded and if they thought there was a real need I might give it some credence. What if they know about a pack of velociraptors headed onto the bridge, or explosives set to blow underneath it and are to busy saving themselves to yell out a warning?

sit back, relax and have a cold drink, it's just humor :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZjojZrG2o0