Is the water live?

It's about perception of Jediism James, there are lot of definitions what the Force Is, and none of those options are wrong.
I appreciate your opinion, but please stick the thread or ignore it.

It's about perception of Jediism James, there are lot of definitions what the Force Is, and none of those options are wrong.

I don't know that anyone is qualified to say what the Force is or isn't, so you've got me there - but TotJO does have a doctrine as to what Jediism means, broadly, to the church here.

I appreciate your opinion, but please stick the thread or ignore it.

I seriously doubt you appreciate my opinion at all, I reckon you think I'm a dick. I could be wrong, perhaps you're a more compassionate creature than I.

As for sticking to the thread (as far as that goes) - My overall view of (both?) of your proposals from the OP is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhDBSne5HMI


To the best of my subpar education, it's also not how water, or the human brain works.

Further, and this is truly and strictly for your own benefit (I believe quoting TISM would be against the TOS) - the internet (and possibly the world, but I wouldn't know about that) is a big place - there might be better communities to find and discuss and learn about water and mental health from? I'm not suggesting leave this community, but, as long as you can remember multiple passwords, you could be a member of multiple communities that specialise in particular topics of interest.

Who is the voice of jediism then? Daniel Radcliffs delicious (\*/)?

It sure seems to be a lot of authorities around here that will tell you your definitaely wrong about anything esoteric the minute you present it.

Who is the voice of jediism then? Daniel Radcliffs delicious (\*/)?

It sure seems to be a lot of authorities around here that will tell you your definitaely wrong about anything esoteric the minute you present it.

If a joke's not funny, is it the audience's fault?

If you want to sell makeup, you kinda have to go to all the houses that have stay-at-home mums.


Aside from that metaphor, I'm not (and I can really only ever speak for myself) overly bothered what anyone believes, I just don't believe it is good for the Jedi "brand" so to speak to entertain everything here, and try to slide it into acceptance under the label of Jediism or The Force (possibly the same reason why Coca Cola doesn't put their Coca Cola label on their bottled water products - it might confuse people into thinking that their delicious, hydrating, non caffeinated, unflavoured water products are in fact their equally delicious caffeinated sweetened and carbonated beverages)

Of course I have an agenda, I would be remiss not to advance and protect it. (Whether my agenda is Jediism as a legitimate religion, or sales of packaged drinks remains to be seen)

Fyxe wrote: I dont get it. This place is a spiritual place right? A temple dedicated to pursuit of the mystical qualities of life? So why is science elevated to godlike status here and philosophy is a bad word?

This is intended as a spiritual place.

And developing a healthy spirituality has everything to do with unlearning conscious and subconscious patterns of beliefs that interfere with seeing the world as it is.

And though by no measure can any one of us claim to interact "purely" with the objective world, there are at least some claims which we know to be true enough to be able to debunk magical thinking - you know... the kind closely tied in with psychosis.

If you want to say water is "alive", then go ahead and say it. Don't expect others to accept it as true simply in the name of religious tolerance.

Focus is one of the three tenants at our Order. "Water is alive" seems like the kind of thing I'd blurt out to my friends when high, rather than an actual philosophical treatise.

Spirituality isn't a license for anyone to have their beliefs be validated without criticism. I have no problems with spirituality, or discussing how we can learn from water. Or even discussing "what is life" (which can be as very rich topic tbh)

The main thrust of my posts is to seek an authentic answer working under the tenet of knowledge. If anyone responded "hey Rex, your idea that water isn't alive sounds like a dumpster fire. Why do you believe that?" We would have a nice and totally different conversation. But decrying my points as being a meanie pants is something else.

Any belief someone holds really deserves to be explainable without resorting to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc

JamesSend wrote: but TotJO does have a doctrine as to what Jediism means, broadly, to the church here.

Yes TotJO has doctrine, but contains the aspect of the Force which is not defined. And I think that from point of view of spirituality isn´t knowledge needed, that goes beyond
logical thinking.

JamesSand wrote: I seriously doubt you appreciate my opinion at all, I reckon you think I'm a dick. I could be wrong, perhaps you're a more compassionate creature than I.

No, I don´t think you are wrong, I just wanted to avoid arguments and drama, which seems common for a lot of thread here.
I respect your opinion that you don´t believe in such silly things, it´s ok. If I were you, I would just say it differently that´s all.

Erinis wrote: Yes TotJO has doctrine, but contains the aspect of the Force which is not defined. And I think that from point of view of spirituality isn´t knowledge needed, that goes beyond logical thinking.

How can you think beyond logic? I understand that you might make abstractions or inferences based on incomplete information, but the underlying structure of thinking is in itself logical. Even the more emotional "gut" decisions we make are informed by logical structures.

Ignorance, yet Knowledge. Though I can appreciate the ineffable aspect of "the Force", I see no reason to make statements or deductions that are not somewhat derived from knowledge and logic.

By that statement Manu, thus: Spirituality goes beyond logic, I meant that lot of spiritual teaching,
including religions aren´t usually understood by logic only, but by feelings and intuition also. You know
for example, God, nobody saw "him", heard him, but still, the assumption is, that something had to
create us. If you can´t support it by objective facts does it mean that God doesn´t exist?