Is the water live?

Hello everyone, I am totally outraged,
I was talking with somebody and the person
told me that water is dead.!?

According my opinion is water live.
Because water constantly flows, has ability to transfer informations, without water - would be body with nutritions soon dead.
Water (blood) transfer hormones, nutritions, neuron's impulses, all nerve system works thanks water (not just water). Water has memory and connects things together etc.
Life - was created by water (passive energy) and fire (active energy). Emotion (water) is energy in motion, how could it be dead.

I catched myself into trap of attachment.
As we discussed in thread "man of principle", irony, isn't it?

I would like to ask you what you think about it. Promise, I won't stone you ((:

And I have one more question, which isn't related with water.
Is there any true, that the more you are grateful, happy and joyful the more you are experiencing it's opposite as well with same intensity?

Water isn't dead because it wasn't ever alive.

I mean is a conveyor belt alive? Not in a literal sense. Poetically you can say anything is alive

Nope, there's no law of the conservation of emotion. Your mind has it's own innate reaction (e.g. saying ouch), but you can control your state of mind (choosing to whimper hours later after a minor injury)

Rex is right it is neither alive nor dead in terms. I use water for a lot of things. I say slot of things are LIKE water or be be LIKE water but water has always been a mystery to me I let be. I’ve used water to recharge the mind as well as the heart as well as my very body. So many ways to do so many different things with water. Some folk float - some sit under its rush and some just listen - some just be with it - as equals and some not so equal.some just look at its reflection - To me - it’s alive and reminds me of many things I LIKE to think about and actually do so there’s always been a connection to the frequency for me. It can be a lot of things for everybody but it’s alive for me.

"Water is an inorganic, transparent, tasteless, odorless, and nearly colorless chemical substance, which is the main constituent of Earth's hydrosphere and the fluids of most living organisms. It is vital for all known forms of life, even though it provides no calories or organic nutrients. Its chemical formula is H2O, meaning that each of its molecules contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms, connected by covalent bonds. Water is the name of the liquid state of H2O at standard ambient temperature and pressure."

The keyword is "INORGANIC". So, no, not alive. I am sorry.

Erinis wrote: According my opinion is water live.

The keyword is "OPINION". According to my opinion, Donald Trump is a turd nugget, but alas, he is still a human.

(note: I do not intend any rudeness, just pointing out the facts of the matter)

A gestalt? IMO it's nowhere near alive, but as a fluid can act dynamical enough to have complex patterned appearances, and by virtue of its chemistry have complex interactions. A potent blend....

.... but that presupposes life is defined by conception, birth, and reproductive capacity by design, with related inception and cessation phases defining life as distinct from death, to give a base meaning to being alive and from whence to define good and bad health.

As a Jedi my beliefs tend to focus more on the architecture of having subjective existence rather then objective truths... so long as they don't conflict. Do to that end I do define a living aspect to the Force which is more about the appearance of complexity then technically being alive (and likewise a unifying aspect). These though do more to serve my relationship to the Force then dictate how I think the world is.

Rex wrote: Nope, there's no law of the conservation of emotion.

I do take your point that water is not dead because it wasn't ever alive, but I am not sure what you mean by conservation of emotion.
If we take emotions like analogy to water then there is no conservation of emotion possible because water flows. Did you mean it that way or differently?

Caesar wrote: The keyword is "OPINION". According to my opinion, Donald Trump is a turd nugget, but alas, he is still a human.
(note: I do not intend any rudeness, just pointing out the facts of the matter)

Thank you for your thoughtfulness I am very sensitive person.

Carlos wrote: To me - it’s alive and reminds me of many things I LIKE to think about and actually do so there’s always been a connection to the frequency for me.

I perceive it also like live substance, though it's not. But metaphorically, why not right.
What I found out hard to understand is, that about water is said that it has regeneration skills and memory. Masaru Emoto wrote about it, he is scientist. And if it has those skills, it has to be live. To keeping informations is common for all living organisms.
Carlos look at movie The shape of water, it's awesome movie, it get Oscar I think.

Erinis wrote: I perceive it also like live substance, though it's not. But metaphorically, why not right.

This, of course, is just my opinion on things but I believe the Force gives water life. The Force runs and lives through all things and even if the water itself is inorganic, I can't help but wonder where these healing properties come from. I think that's the Force. And the fact that we can have an emotional connection with water for me proves the power of the Force because we can be so connected with it.

Masaru Emoto™ (22 July 1943-17 October 2014[2]) was a Japanese author and peddler of pseudoscience, most famously the idea that thoughts and words directed at water change the aesthetic appeal of the water crystals.

He held a "Doctorate" in alternative medicine from a correspondence course from the Open International University of Alternative Medicine, and therefore called himself "Doctor."

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

And if The Queen had wheels she'd be a wagon

Why cant the queen be a wagon if she has wheels? Why cant the water be alive if it responds to emotional input? Why cant a female be a male of she feels she is male in her testicles... virtual or not?

What's wrong with you people? Water is alive if the experience of water is that it lives. Experience not society rules. Water lives!

My opinion is the water is alive the molecules changed based on the thought of the person or persons.

Elektron respond different depending on if they are observed or not I believe it was the double slit experiment is one.

So it seems if you break everything down to its smallest Elektron or molecule and it changes its form or action based on our thoughts or feelings or if even we are observing it.
I would say everything that we know that is .
is alive!
That's just my opinion and I think that's why some people actually have the bility to move things and change things in this world

Well water does show signs of life like the ability to change , grow , and is influenced by outside forces . It also reacts to our emotions as well . I think it's in a grey area like fire .

Uhhhhhh water doesn't grow nor react to emotions. Neither does fire, unless you want to say something rusting is alive

Forceuser wrote: My opinion is the water is alive the molecules changed based on the thought of the person or persons.

I agree with you, because human being is composed from all 4 elements, including spirit which is live energy (substance) and thus
it can influence water,
with proper use of emotions and thougts.
I did few times experiment with water, I took bowl with water, sit down in meditation and I was focusing on water with love and gratitude,
after that I drunk it and I was impressed the water was soft and taststed deliciously. People could say that it´s nothing more just autosuggestion,
but I do not think so.

Rex wrote: water doesn't grow nor react to emotions. Neither does fire, unless you want to say something rusting is alive

Maybe really doesn´t grow, but for sure react to emotions. Most of ilnesses according scientist are caused by mental/emotional imbalances,
If you take whatever ilnessess within body, it´s a blood which send information about it into your brain. And then start to causing it´s consequences
like headache, tiredness, moodines sometime also mental disease.

I agree with you, because human being is composed from all 4 elements, including spirit which is live energy (substance) and thus
it can influence water,
with proper use of emotions and thougts.
I did few times experiment with water, I took bowl with water, sit down in meditation and I was focusing on water with love and gratitude,
after that I drunk it and I was impressed the water was soft and taststed deliciously. People could say that it´s nothing more just autosuggestion,
but I do not think so.

Hey, I super duper hope my investments go up every day, and sometimes they do!

Bereft of any other evidence, I have to assume it's because my positive thinking influences the market, and sometimes I just don't think positively enough! maybe I'm distracted on those days? (or dehydrated?)


(I'm trying to be flippant, but I suspect I can actually find more evidence that positive thinking influences the market than you can about water...'cause I guess the market actually is affected be people's feelings....)


A Jedi really shouldn't be mean, but there's a few[strike]sockpuppets[/strike] members dominating this community at the moment that really rustle my jimmies.

Maybe I'm the one who's out of date, perhaps Jeddism is just a mask for general "spiritual" nonsense, and it's time to pack my bags and call myself something else, somewhere else.

I am at least reasonably confident that this has been referenced here before....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDso5ElFRg

I'd like to offer an excerpt from a book that may offer some insight...

Water is flowing. Every drop is made of the same substance. What never fears being divided, because it knows it will flow back together in time. It is eternal.

Water is powerful. Although it can be soothing, comforting, and cleansing, it can also be enormous, mighty and overpowering. Its nature is constant. It is true to itself at any extreme.

Water is profound. In the depths of the lakes, in the darkness of the oceans, it holds all secrets. It is dangerous. It is mysterious. Yet life came from those depths.

Water is unafraid. From any height, it will plunge fearlessly down. It will fall and not be injured.

Water is balanced no matter what the situation is, water will seeks it own level as soon as it is left alone. Water will always flow downward to the most stable level. It conforms to any situation in a balanced way.

Water is nourishing. Without water, no plant and no living creature could survive.

Water is still. It can be completely still, and in its stillness, mirror heaven perfectly.

Water is pure. It is transparent, clear, needing neither adornment nor augmentations.

For all these features, to be flowing, powerful, unafraid, balanced, nourishing, still, and pure, one who would follow the Force need only emulate water in every way.

I can understand where you're coming from on Emoto's work. But there are other ways to explain the phenomena IF it really is taking place. One potential answer is that we're the ones actually putting the energy into the water itself, and it forms because of our energetic influence. If that's the case, then there's no reason we cannot affect the emotional energy output of (say) a stone.

I think the more compelling argument that Water, Fire, and such things are alive, is found more in the spiritual realms- that everything has a spirit. It's not to say that I believe that is the case, myself, but that when you take science out of it, the value that comes from this belief takes on an incredible form of it's own. It puts us back into the discovery of our interconnectedness to our environment and can transform how you interact with it. Treating it as something sacred, rather than just something you feel compelled to protect because what happens to the earth impacts the life of humanity.

I don't know, maybe it's just me. But when I shifted from a scientific approach to the needs of the Earth to one that is spiritually based (one I found in the beginning of the Book of Genesis), my perspective on man's role on the planet shifted dramatically.

Rex wrote: Uhhhhhh water doesn't grow nor react to emotions. Neither does fire, unless you want to say something rusting is alive

So you have never seen a puddle of water water get bigger , water attracts water thus growing . You feed fire combustible material thus growing it , if you don't feed it it will die .

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/the-pseudoscience-of-creating-beautiful-or-ugly-water-1.574583%3Fmode%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwiumPnNsqznAhWbPM0KHdJDDBoQFjASegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw37qijh8gLt0Tdb_KywGBlI


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thewellnessenterprise.com/emoto/&ved=2ahUKEwiumPnNsqznAhWbPM0KHdJDDBoQFjATegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0WTs0ukrVgz7lYI5G5Crd-



Now I'm not saying water and fire are alive in the classical sense but in a different matter .

Well if everything is alive (or has a spirit etc.) what's the point of the concept "alive"

And all the analogies used are like saying that a car is a vehicle because it moves, has an engine, and other utilities which means that engine oil is also a vehicle since it helps the car do so. Sure an engine oil's properties change: when it's heated and pressurized, but on its own, it's inert.

Water doesn't have any agency, so it doesn't "want" to flow downhill. The language we often use in that sense is more intuitive, but ultimately inaccurate. Water's properties may be admirable in a metaphorical sense, but ultimately it's just a substance with properties that don't include life, consciousness, or agency.

In your view. But your view isn't the only one that exists, Rex. Nor should another person's view on the matter be dismissed out of hand simply because you look at it that way.

Some people even believe their vehicles have a personality to them- like they are alive in a sense. Some personify their weapons and believe it has its own personality. The personification changes the perspective of how someone interacts with what science considers "inanimate".

The views of both positions have merit in their own rights.