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About Police Shootings (in America, Duh)
I know that in my apartment complex we have had two series of break ins in the four years I've lived there. Both sets were only two or three break ins and the two sets were over a year apart (so five or six break ins total divided into two groupings). They both stopped as soon as signs went up warning the residents to be on the look out. Criminals don't want to have to work hard, and when there are an average of twelve people living in each building all now alert to the possibility of crime that gets harder for them.
Greater community involvement is, in my opinion, truly the best way to help curb crime.
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Lightstrider wrote: Was the cop trying to pull him over and the biker was just ignoring/unaware? That's crazy.
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/01/20/federal-jury-awards-180000-to-motorcyclist-kicked-by-cop-at-gunpoint/
"Federal Jury Awards $180,000 to Motorcyclist Kicked by Cop at Gunpoint
It took four hours for a federal jury to determine that an Oregon state trooper violated a man’s civil rights by kicking him in the chest after chasing him down in an unmarked patrol car and ramming into the man’s motorcycle, knocking him down and leaving him with a fractured rib and broken clavicle."
the rest in spoiler and its worth reading
Justin Wilkins was awarded $180,000 in what his attorney described as “a message from the community.”
But Oregon state police expressed disappointment, saying officer safety gives cops the right to kick and pull guns on citizens at a moment’s whim because every encounter is a potential “life-or-death” situation.
According to the Register-Guard:
State police, in a statement released Thursday night, said the agency “is disappointed with the (trial) outcome and feels the actions of our troopers clearly did not violate established procedures or tactics. In situations like these, officers have milliseconds to make what may be life-or-death decisions and those officers should be shielded from the liability of civil damages.
Oregon State Police Captain Rob Edwards got a pass from the jury about pulling his gun Wilkins, determining it did not violate his civil rights, even though there was no indication that Edwards posed a danger to him.
Edwards’ dash cam video shows that he was probably angered that Wilkins had passed him and continued riding, even though the cop was apparently trying to pull him over with his emergency lights, which are embedded in the Camaro’s grill.
Wilkins had come to a complete stop at a traffic light, which shows he was not purposely eluding Edwards, he just didn’t notice him through his small rear view mirror. He also said his helmet kept him from hearing the sirens.
The video shows that it was not until the cop rammed him with the patrol car, knocking him down, that Wilkins first took notice of him.
When Wilkins stood back up, the cop ordered him to get down, which he was about to do, but Edwards kicked him anyway.
But Edwards had an excuse for all of that as well.
Edwards acknowledged in his testimony that Wilkens had begun to comply with his commands when he landed the kick, but said he was unable to stop the kick because he “already had the muscles fired” in his right leg.
Edwards also said he accidentally “bumped” the back end of Wilkens’ motorcycle as a result of possible “brake fade” — a term used to describe the loss of braking power because of overheating. But Regan reminded jurors in a closing argument that a brake expert testified at trial that brake fade rarely occurs in modern brake systems.
He also did not report the use-of-force incident and claims he did not know the dash cam was recording.
The incident took place August 2, 2012 when Edwards was a lieutenant. He has since been promoted to captain.
So that’s their message to the community.
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i am "pro-good-cop" and "anti-bad-cop" and thats what we should all be, imo
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/06/26/suicide-poised-take-entire-police-department/
California Police Underage Sex Scandal Involves 28 Officers, 5 Departments
"How she met Officer Brendan O’Brien in the first place is disturbing in and of it itself. Guap says she was working the streets as a prostitute. She says she was underage at the time, which would legally make her a victim of child sex trafficking. A pimp was chasing her down a street one day in Oakland when she saw O’Brien. “He saved me when I was 17,” Guap told CNN in a phone conversation.
“Instead of taking me to jail, we just kind of started something there, you know.”
of course you can say "well she was a hooker, so what?"
does it matter, YOU TELL ME: why or why not?
The California teen at the center of a multi-agency underage sex scandal is finally speaking out about the officer who took her from a pimp and turned her into a badge bunny for 28 cops across five different police departments.
The fallout has caused two officer suicides.
Fourteen Oakland cops have resigned already.
Oakland PD lost three Chiefs in a nine day span
“I just want everyone to know that I didn’t do this on purpose. I didn’t want to ruin these officers lives,” Celeste Guap told CNN, speaking out about the sex scandal involving her.
Guap was a victim of child sex trafficking.
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OB1Shinobi wrote:
Lightstrider wrote: Was the cop trying to pull him over and the biker was just ignoring/unaware? That's crazy.
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/01/20/federal-jury-awards-180000-to-motorcyclist-kicked-by-cop-at-gunpoint/
"Federal Jury Awards $180,000 to Motorcyclist Kicked by Cop at Gunpoint
It took four hours for a federal jury to determine that an Oregon state trooper violated a man’s civil rights by kicking him in the chest after chasing him down in an unmarked patrol car and ramming into the man’s motorcycle, knocking him down and leaving him with a fractured rib and broken clavicle."
the rest in spoiler and its worth reading
Warning: Spoiler!
Justin Wilkins was awarded $180,000 in what his attorney described as “a message from the community.”
But Oregon state police expressed disappointment, saying officer safety gives cops the right to kick and pull guns on citizens at a moment’s whim because every encounter is a potential “life-or-death” situation.
According to the Register-Guard:
State police, in a statement released Thursday night, said the agency “is disappointed with the (trial) outcome and feels the actions of our troopers clearly did not violate established procedures or tactics. In situations like these, officers have milliseconds to make what may be life-or-death decisions and those officers should be shielded from the liability of civil damages.
Oregon State Police Captain Rob Edwards got a pass from the jury about pulling his gun Wilkins, determining it did not violate his civil rights, even though there was no indication that Edwards posed a danger to him.
Edwards’ dash cam video shows that he was probably angered that Wilkins had passed him and continued riding, even though the cop was apparently trying to pull him over with his emergency lights, which are embedded in the Camaro’s grill.
Wilkins had come to a complete stop at a traffic light, which shows he was not purposely eluding Edwards, he just didn’t notice him through his small rear view mirror. He also said his helmet kept him from hearing the sirens.
The video shows that it was not until the cop rammed him with the patrol car, knocking him down, that Wilkins first took notice of him.
When Wilkins stood back up, the cop ordered him to get down, which he was about to do, but Edwards kicked him anyway.
But Edwards had an excuse for all of that as well.
Edwards acknowledged in his testimony that Wilkens had begun to comply with his commands when he landed the kick, but said he was unable to stop the kick because he “already had the muscles fired” in his right leg.
Edwards also said he accidentally “bumped” the back end of Wilkens’ motorcycle as a result of possible “brake fade” — a term used to describe the loss of braking power because of overheating. But Regan reminded jurors in a closing argument that a brake expert testified at trial that brake fade rarely occurs in modern brake systems.
He also did not report the use-of-force incident and claims he did not know the dash cam was recording.
The incident took place August 2, 2012 when Edwards was a lieutenant. He has since been promoted to captain.
So that’s their message to the community.
from another article
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-oregon-motorcyclist-video-20160125-story.html
"In the video, Edwards follows Wilkens for some time before Wilkens stops. In his lawsuit, Wilkens said he couldn’t hear the siren, and his small rearview mirror did not show the lights on the unmarked car, which are located on the car’s grille, not on its roof.
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"In the video, Edwards follows Wilkens for some time before Wilkens stops. In his lawsuit, Wilkens said he couldn’t hear the siren, and his small rearview mirror did not show the lights on the unmarked car, which are located on the car’s grille, not on its roof."
so yeah, the guy was speeding
does that make this kind of violence ok?
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Being raised Jewish, my community and the rabbis and even the folks I met when I spent some time in Israel all said "Jews" or even "The Jews", and rarely if ever did I hear the term "Jewish People" being given preference. This is a nonissue for the Jews.
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