Developing tk/pk

Just clarifying, you said you were "with us"...

forceuser wrote: I'm with all of you guys now all the force users are gone

Who are you with and where did these "force users" go? What evidence do you have they existed at some time in the past? Are you touting that there are two kinds of "Force"?

Excuse my grammar
It seems nobody on this site has any experience with any other part of the force accept how they feel
There is only one force it's just most people believe the force cannot create planets or cannot moving object they limit the force to only what they know
As far as proof how many people would it take to tell you before you would believe. I'm guessing you're the type of person who has to experience it before you believe
And even if you experienced it I don't think you would still believe you would think it was sleight of hand
I do not wish to argue let's just agree to disagree

forceuser wrote: I was referring to a different kind of force
It's About People who can heal who can bring back Spirits from the dead who can move objects who can see into the minds and eyes of others to change their thoughts
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Force users cannot change anothers thoughts. They can however influence, and to degress that one may think themselves made to do a thing.
Death, yet the Force

I only speak of things which I have done and know to be true
Death and life yet the force

forceuser wrote: Excuse my grammar
It seems nobody on this site has any experience with any other part of the force accept how they feel
There is only one force it's just most people believe the force cannot create planets or cannot moving object they limit the force to only what they know
As far as proof how many people would it take to tell you before you would believe. I'm guessing you're the type of person who has to experience it before you believe
And even if you experienced it I don't think you would still believe you would think it was sleight of hand
I do not wish to argue let's just agree to disagree

LOl, you misunderstand me. I do not consider us to be arguing. I am only trying to challenge you to better define your point of view surrounding "The Force". Is that not why we are all here? To discuss and better define our views on reality?

Some of your comments have made me curious and that is why I am asking questions. Just because someone claims something does not mean we immediately are required to believe it. If I said I had an invisible unicorn in my garage would you just believe me? Typically our default stance is one of disbelief until something can reasonably be proven true or even viable. And in the case of extraordinary claims, they require extraordinary evidence.

So Im curious about this "part of the Force" you claim exists that many others are unaware of. That was all. I wanted to get a better concept of what you believe the Force is and how you believe the force functions.

Great conversation I too do not fully understand the force I only see the small amount that I have done and experienced

forceuser wrote: Great conversation I too do not fully understand the force I only see the small amount that I have done and experienced

Which is what exactly, the part that you've done and experienced that is outside what others are saying?

That's the specific question that you are being asked.

Kyrin asked "So Im curious about this "part of the Force" you claim exists that many others are unaware of. That was all. I wanted to get a better concept of what you believe the Force is and how you believe the force functions."

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

sounds like I might be misunderstanding the question
The things I know of course that I have mentioned I have personally done and experienced and have witnesses that have seen it
But I'm also sure there must be a lot more to the force that I do not know

Oh, I see. You're not making the claims then, just telling your anecdote about healing and spirits and all that. Ok. Then I guess cool story bro

I'm glad you enjoyed the stories do me a favor keep all these stories inside the Forum don't let them out
I was raised in an atmosphere that anything like this it was from the Devil and for sure you're going to hell hell hell for talking about it much less doing it
One exception to the rule I know a pastor that's been all over the world evangelizing and he will personally tell you he doesn't understand it all I can say is i saw it!

forceuser wrote: this is a very interesting and this is why i was led here. i am Joining to find other force users
i have personally used the force to throw a ball over a 100 yard to break a window with out touching it.
start large fires, and other things most people will say is impossible . and yes about half of the things people with me have seen.
i have not used it in about 3 years i have been to stressed to concentrate with life if the here and now.
peace and wellness to all

Ahh, I was confused for a bit as to what you were speaking of. I had to go back and reread this thread and I found this. Is this what you are referring to? Seems to me like you are making claims about your ability to harness "a force" (presumably outside of science?) and manipulate matter directly by means other than what we commonly see? You also say you have not used it in about 3 years. So why is it that if you have this amazing power that you can use to literally bypass the very laws of physics themselves, you do not practice it on a daily basis - even, dare I say, make it the center point most consuming aspect of your life? Or am I misunderstanding something and these are just "funny stories" that were never meant to be taken seriously?

I thought maybe that's why I was led to this site to find other people to train with

The ideal situation is if I could get paid to train the challenges I have a lot of mouths to feed where I live

forceuser wrote: The ideal situation is if I could get paid to train the challenges I have a lot of mouths to feed where I live

That would definitely be a cool job to have! First, though, I would think any potential student would like to have some sort of empirical evidence that you could actually do the things you have said you can do and that you could teach these techniques to others. Is that something you are willing and/or able to do?

Yes everything is real real real no books no movies

Let me work on that for a few days and I will get back with you

Hello
If anybody's interested, I have made a tutorial on how to do telekinesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwyNqabAWtM

forceuser wrote: I don't think anybody's change their mind
I believe if you've never seen or experienced it it's impossible for you to understand or believe
but if you've done it experienced it or seen it it may be a little more likely for you to believe it

Funny how we never see anyone apply this logic to anything real. You ask about gravity and they drop their pen. You ask about air, and they blow a sheet or dust. You ask about electricity and they switch on the lights. You ask about radio waves and they call a cell phone. But then if you ask about magic, suddenly it's "impossible to understand or believe" through showing by someone else, for it must be experienced personally and subjectively. In other words, we are talking about make-belief.
Well, people can make-believe all kinds of things, including self-contradictory ones, and they do, and they murder each other over it, too. I reject that kind of self-deception and choose to be honest with myself and others instead. To each their own though...

Gisteron wrote:

forceuser wrote: I don't think anybody's change their mind
I believe if you've never seen or experienced it it's impossible for you to understand or believe
but if you've done it experienced it or seen it it may be a little more likely for you to believe it

Funny how we never see anyone apply this logic to anything real. You ask about gravity and they drop their pen. You ask about air, and they blow a sheet or dust. You ask about electricity and they switch on the lights. You ask about radio waves and they call a cell phone. But then if you ask about magic, suddenly it's "impossible to understand or believe" through showing by someone else, for it must be experienced personally and subjectively. In other words, we are talking about make-belief.
Well, people can make-believe all kinds of things, including self-contradictory ones, and they do, and they murder each other over it, too. I reject that kind of self-deception and choose to be honest with myself and others instead. To each their own though...

This is kind of why I decided on TOJO, to get over those false beliefs. Mine weren't so much spiritual, but more like fear, anxiety, and failure. I was creating the same kind of false world and false justifications for myself. But a delusion is a delusion. So, I while I won't fault anyone for wanting to believe... I think that if you can't be honest with yourself when confronted with the facts, logic, and reality then you are going to have a very long and hard road to being a Jedi.

To be clear I do believe in reality I have physically beat many highly trained martial artists I have been in the United States military jumped out of planes repelled graduated from the Sheriff's Department earned a contractor's license and real estate license to name a few
Yes I have been highly trained in reality
All I can tell you is this if all you believe in is what you can touch with your hands you have a longer way to becoming a Jedi