Hey! Let's Open The Vaccination Can Of Worms!

I am pro vaccination...

You, exercising your beliefs like this, is similar to believing seat belt entrapment is more likely than seat-belt saving your/their life, so you dont make them wear them...

Someday, your children may not be allowed to go places publicly... Just saying...

http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-lawmakers-propose-to-increase-vaccinations-of-schoolchildren-story.html

I'm also very curious about the right to choose people keep citing. My very limited research on the topic leads me to believe that most states in the U.S. require immunization records before allowing a child into public schools. These states typically have exemptions from required vaccination for medical or religious reasons that must be documented. Sounds fair to me.

The one I don't get is the exemption based on informed consent. Apparently this is the exemption that allows a parent to refuse their consent to vaccinate based on being informed. Informed by who, and how do we know? I can't even go to the local ice skating rink without signing a waiver stating that I am aware of the dangers involved. Shouldn't there be a test you have to take to demonstrate that you are informed before you can withhold your consent? I can't get a driver's license without proving at least a working knowledge of traffic laws and proper driving procedures. I would think we can do the same here. Make a person demonstrate that they are informed on the topic and still choose not to vaccinate.

The case would then be documented just as the medical and religious exemptions are, and we can then use this information to actually study how this population does or does not impact the overall health of the community at large.

Kitsu Tails wrote:
As for the Jedi Bit. I always thought that Jedi were about respecting of other peoples choices and beliefs and not judging others for having them. I have seen nothing but judgment, ridicule, threats, and one sided elitist finger pointing since this thread started

Vaccinations will not kill you. Some of these preventable diseases will and others will leave someone unable return to the life they had prior to being infected. This Temple states, "Jedi Believe, 'In the Force, and the inherent value of all life within it'".

Preserving and protecting life is arguably one of the closest to a universal concept among Jedi, so the idea that someone would try to argue their opinion is more valuable than the lives of others as a Jedi is kinda... Well, it just doesn't sit well with me.

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Kamizu wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Kamizu wrote: I like Jamie's idea! I'd be more than happy to allow it to be a choice if the choosers could live with their own consciences without affecting the rest of us. Although that doesn't prevent their children from suffering the decisions of their parents.

Send me the ticket to such a prison then, coz your views will force me there.

Such awesome Jedi I see here....

By all means, that's a choice you make. And I'll say first that I'm proud to be a Jedi and I do not find a drop of my views that do not fit with the Jedi mindset. However, I do find it interesting that you would start pointing fingers on that LOL

Its not my choice Its the laws you, Jamie and others would force upon me due to my personal beliefs.

As for the Jedi Bit. I always thought that Jedi were about respecting of other peoples choices and beliefs and not judging others for having them. I have seen nothing but judgment, ridicule, threats, and one sided elitist finger pointing since this thread started

Your personal beliefs stop being personal when they affect other people. Please provide evidence that vaccines are such a danger that they should not be required.

As a Jedi, I believe it is my duty to protect those around me. Vaccines are as important to the community at large, as my armor is on the field. And protects better if I might add. What if it is my belief that in order to keep healthy, I need to drink the blood of the unwilling? Should that not be stopped?

In this thread I have seen overwhelming evidence to support the pro-vaccination side. We have also come up with ideas to allow anti-vaxxers the capability to maintain their choice without endangering the lives of others. I don't understand how that is against the Jedi way, close minded or judgmental. Facts are pure and simply facts. And I don't think I've seen anyone threaten anyone else.

A quote from California State Senator and Republican Bob Huff in the L.A Times article linked by Jestor above: “While medical experts are overwhelmingly in agreement that vaccines are safe, preserving the freedom of choice has also emerged as part of this important discussion,”

From his Wikipedia page: He received a 100% rating from the California Pro-Life Council in 2012[26] and a 20% rating from Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California in 2013.[27]

Pro-Choice on vaccination, not so much on abortion... :laugh:

Senan wrote: A quote from California State Senator and Republican Bob Huff in the L.A Times article linked by Jestor above: “While medical experts are overwhelmingly in agreement that vaccines are safe, preserving the freedom of choice has also emerged as part of this important discussion,”

From his Wikipedia page: He received a 100% rating from the California Pro-Life Council in 2012[26] and a 20% rating from Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California in 2013.[27]

Pro-Choice on vaccination, not so much on abortion... :laugh:

Two sides to the same coin if you look at it, both are trying to save lives.

Kamizu wrote: Two sides to the same coin if you look at it, both are trying to save lives.

One can of worms at a time, please. :laugh:

Jamie Stick wrote:

Kamizu wrote: Two sides to the same coin if you look at it, both are trying to save lives.

One can of worms at a time, please. :laugh:

Haha I think we already had the other can open a while back. But I agree, one can per thread! (which is why I didn't expand beyond that comment haha)

Jamie Stick wrote:

Kamizu wrote: Two sides to the same coin if you look at it, both are trying to save lives.

One can of worms at a time, please. :laugh:

I really was about to post something similar Jamie, great minds think alike I suppose

Just to add a wrinkle to the question of policy debate, we are one year away from election season in the U.S.A. We should anticipate this question becoming a very significant issue as children begin to die from an extremely preventable disease that was not an issue last election cycle.

Some of the statements could get scary as aspiring politicians seek to make their bones this coming year. Some might say things you find quite sensible.

While I am glad that the conversation is occurring, it concerns me when science is debated in a court of opinion. Still, the conversation is necessary, even if I frustrates people.

I wonder, what will be said of vaccines by whoever is hungriest for votes?