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A church's stance is not one's faith, much like the jedi code is not a totjo management policy...

I am not *trying* to employ any manipulative techniques either, for the record.

I never said you tried, I pointed out you did employ. I saw a strawman in there, and ad hominem at least, possibly more, can't really be arsed to look back :laugh:

ren wrote: A church's stance is not one's faith, much like the jedi code is not a totjo management policy...

Alright?

ren wrote: I never said you tried, I pointed out you did employ. I saw a strawman in there, and ad hominem at least, possibly more, can't really be arsed to look back :laugh:

Well let’s leave all the assumptions behind us then. I’ve got no beef with you.

I do find it laughable to imply that “good Jedi” never question their faith as part of the process of practicing it.

Connor L. wrote: And yet, they'll never be perfect. Good beliefs should change over time as more information is learned. Flexibility is a sign of a healthy person.

I don't agree with what you've said. Let's take Christians, for example. If a Christian believes the Bible is literal, they're just wrong. There's no two ways about it. And, a "good" Christian would continue to examine their beliefs and see if there are issues with them. Perhaps they'd get a book and see what historians and theologians have to say. Perhaps they'd even find out that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who was interested in overthrowing the Roman rule at Jerusalem.

Being skeptical is the sign of intellect, and can lead to great wisdom.

I think we use the word faith in very different ways. To me faith is the inevitable result of my entire lfe's thoughts (or those i can remember, or otherwise subconsciously affect me). To you it appears it is a form of imposition.

To me if a christian believes the bible is literal they're wrong. If they believe the bible is not literal they're wrong. If I thought any kind of christian was right (as opposed to wrong) i would be that kind of christian.

If I think something is wrong, it necessarily is something I do not believe in. I literally do the opposite of believing in it. The beliefs change, but the processes that lead to the beliefs do not.

There’s nothing wrong with one or the other and frankly , there is really no competition between the two. To teach one way and and not the other is like saying one is better than the other. Reality they are not. Here we are not a Sith Temple. We are a Jedi Order. So, can you see that the only competition present is the only one we bring. Learn everything. Try everything - even the dark side if you like - we don’t teach that here though - you realize that? That’s like me going to let’s say - Danny J s church site and preaching Totjo s doctorine. I can’t and won’t ever do that... bad form and - that’s kinda jevenile. I would hope that better ideas are past here to learn - not - to argue or compete. On that note - why would you try to teach the dark side at a Jedi Temple? Why is it some ones goal to “make others know” Free will dwells in this place just as anything from else. We also have rules. Take this to heart - don’t try to teach Sith doctorine in a Jedi Temple - it’s bad form. That should be standard right ? Common sense even? Give the common courtesy due in an obvious setting. Any ones free to learn anything they want and even share it here but use a bit of tact. Please and thank you.

Connor L. wrote: And yet, they'll never be perfect. Good beliefs should change over time as more information is learned. Flexibility is a sign of a healthy person.

I don't agree with what you've said. Let's take Christians, for example. If a Christian believes the Bible is literal, they're just wrong. There's no two ways about it. And, a "good" Christian would continue to examine their beliefs and see if there are issues with them. Perhaps they'd get a book and see what historians and theologians have to say. Perhaps they'd even find out that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who was interested in overthrowing the Roman rule at Jerusalem.

Being skeptical is the sign of intellect, and can lead to great wisdom.

I think we use the word faith in very different ways. To me faith is the inevitable result of my entire lfe's thoughts (or those i can remember, or otherwise subconsciously affect me). To you it appears it is a form of imposition.

To me if a christian believes the bible is literal they're wrong. If they believe the bible is not literal they're wrong. If I thought any kind of christian was right (as opposed to wrong) i would be that kind of christian.

If I think something is wrong, it necessarily is something I do not believe in. I literally do the opposite of believing in it. The beliefs change, but the processes that lead to the beliefs do not.

I do find it laughable to imply that “good Jedi” never question their faith as part of the process of practicing it.

There was no such implication. I thought we were leaving assumptions behind?

Manu, Connor, you both really seem to have taken a decidedly adversarial position in this discussion, and gotten somewhat off topic from the actual thread. Please reconsider what you are arguing compared to the actual discussion presented.
At this point, I can objectively say you're no longer contributing to a discussion, you're trying to win an argument.
Please consider stepping back and consider what good is actually expected to come from this continuous echo chamber.
Ren, if I may be so presumptuous, it may do you more good as well, to take a step back from this.

On that note - why would you try to teach the dark side at a Jedi Temple? Why is it some ones goal to “make others know...
Any ones free to learn anything they want and even share it here but use a bit of tact. Please and thank you.

There is no teaching happening here. Let me know if you see any teaching.

Connor L. wrote:

On that note - why would you try to teach the dark side at a Jedi Temple? Why is it some ones goal to “make others know...
Any ones free to learn anything they want and even share it here but use a bit of tact. Please and thank you.

There is no teaching happening here. Let me know if you see any teaching.

At the same time -if this is intentional and just for the sake of arguing I’ll have no part in it. You are in a Jedi Temple. Use Tact and common sense please.
Thank you

Why Stormcaller? I'm having a good laugh :laugh: