Force Powers

Yes of course. Well mostly. I have finished up to the lessons on campbell.

So why do you think the ranks are really not meaningful?

I'd say that's outside the scope of this topic. I have no doubt it has been discussed before if you want to search for it.

Fyxe wrote: I know these things are real because I have seen them as well and I have been told by the ascended guides that they are achievable.

When did you talk to an ascended guide? What was the process that you followed for this communication to happen?

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Fyxe wrote: I know these things are real because I have seen them as well and I have been told by the ascended guides that they are achievable.

When did you talk to an ascended guide? What was the process that you followed for this communication to happen?

Well it begins with a state of meditation and descends into a deep trance. Think theta wave. In the theta the guides can move forward in the mind. It is like the doorway to interact with them. Once you can open this always connected space in the mind they will emerge but that is usually not enough because they will still ignore you until you reach out to them and make them talk to to you. It's like a process that you have to prove to them you actually care about what they might tell you.

Fyxe wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Fyxe wrote: I know these things are real because I have seen them as well and I have been told by the ascended guides that they are achievable.

When did you talk to an ascended guide? What was the process that you followed for this communication to happen?

Well it begins with a state of meditation and descends into a deep trance. Think theta wave. In the theta the guides can move forward in the mind. It is like the doorway to interact with them. Once you can open this always connected space in the mind they will emerge but that is usually not enough because they will still ignore you until you reach out to them and make them talk to to you. It's like a process that you have to prove to them you actually care about what they might tell you.

Ok, I'll bite: Have you studied shamanism, at all? if you haven't, perhaps you should, because *I have*, and this sounds pretty familiar, albeit worded differently.

although that could just be me playing into another pattern I see here: you give somewhat vague descriptions, using special words and terms, only ever hinting at deeper information that might convey a stronger understanding, and other people who do have the stronger understanding come in and fill in the gaps.

None the less, I'm curious about your background and history, on these things.

Rankings are inconsequential. They only represent your progression as part of the community. If you've gone through the requirements to be received as a "knight" on this site..

However, I don't necessarily believe they, as of yet, completely correlate with any gained depth in The Force..

I'm sure it's possible to converse with higher thought forms.. however, I've been told to take caution when dealing with non-material entities..

Rankings do roughly approximate your clout with TotJO though. So it's not as though being a member means you can speak for the institution with the same level of authority as a knight, councilor, or ultimately Br. John.

Also to speak to Fyxe's rank, your entries require a bit more before they're valid which I'd be happy to discuss in PMs if you're wanting that novice bar

I have not studied shamanism. My grandmother taught me to spirit walk though.

I dont think you need anymore caution than in real life. For the most part they are there to help and guide although sometimes they can have bad days I guess.

Rex what do you mean my entries require a bit more. Who are you again? Not a knight right, so why do you get to decide? Besides that i specifically asked for some one else to help me, not you. I followed the directions and competed the assignment, I understood there were no wrong answers in the IP and you could even disagree so I dont know where your getting off on saying I didnt do the assignment!

Rex is the leader of the IP team and he reviews journals as part of his service in the Temple. He can tell you that your journal entries need more not only because he's done the IP before, but because he has read countless entries.

While there are no wrong answers, there are answers that can sometimes be vague and require more detail, more in-depth thinking. Further Rex isn't suggesting you haven't done the assignment only that you likely need to add more of what your thoughts are on the material

I dont agree at all though. I think he is biased. I asked for a different person and that's what I would like. I have read many journals and I don't think mine is lacking. No idea what hes talking about except to give me a hard time yet again.

I dont agree at all though. I think he is biased. I asked for a different person and that's what I would like. I have read many journals and I don't think mine is lacking. No idea what hes talking about except to give me a hard time yet again.

Oh, sweet summer child.

This is a Church, it is a volunteer organisation, it has limited membership, and even more limited people willing to contribute time and energy into maintaining it, and, I guess you may not realise, it is also the internet.

I shouldn't be rude, so I've removed what I first typed....

I guess a better way to put it would be "You don't have to be here, if you don't like the way the people who run the place carry out their business, you can start your own Jedi church, you can be the Grand High Poobah if you like"

You've established yourself, in this thread and others, as an expert on what you see as the Force in this world. We here are never going to match your expectations, do yourself (and everyone who could benefit from your infinite wisdom) a favour and start an enterprise that teaches the one true Force.....


(In case you get your keyboard in a knot - I'm James, I speak for James, not for TotJO, and I invite you to engage me directly if you take some issue with my commentary, if you think it will do you any good)

Fyxe wrote: For the most part they are there to help and guide although sometimes they can have bad days I guess.

Every time you say something ill-informed, I think that's the last of it. Every time, I'm surprised.

Please, if you insist on following tales of power down a road to ruin, at least pretend to care about your safety while doing so.

Fyxe wrote: I dont agree at all though. I think he is biased. I asked for a different person and that's what I would like. I have read many journals and I don't think mine is lacking. No idea what hes talking about except to give me a hard time yet again.

Brother, you are giving yourself a harder time than any of the rest here could ever hope to. You are not entitled to special privileges, the Temple is not going to be re-structuring or re-staffing just on your behalf. Look at your own history of dismissing or ignoring anything that doesn't quite please your tender taste enough and then yelling victory at the slightest instance of confirmation. Speak of the pot calling the kettle black...

You are not the king, and you are not unbiased, nor infallible, and you must have been damn lucky to have walked through life so unimpeded for so long that rather than the world itself some stranger on the internet gets to be the one to break this to you...

Fyxe wrote: I dont agree at all though. I think he is biased. I asked for a different person and that's what I would like. I have read many journals and I don't think mine is lacking. No idea what hes talking about except to give me a hard time yet again.

He is probably less biased towards your journal than you are toward his feedback

Fyxe wrote: I dont think you need anymore caution than in real life. For the most part they are there to help and guide although sometimes they can have bad days I guess.

Honestly, this isnt even a safe way to think about real people in real life, lol.

I was told quite clearly that there was an IP "TEAM" and that I had a choice of people I could work with. In fact I got contacted by another that said he would work with me, so I'm not seeing any issue with requesting another. It seems you guys are the ones not I formed about you very church!

Besides that what is wrong with my lessons? I followed the directions and I did what was required. I'm not asking for anything that I have been told is outside the rules so no special priveldges.

Also what is not being safe mean? How am I not safe? You guys criticize a lot but never provide construction on that. Just tell me I'm unsafe but not why or how to fix it.

I'm really not trying to be difficult here. And maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but you alls teaching mentality and manner is very offputting. Knights are teachers right? Not apprentices? So why arent knights teaching?

"Besides that what is wrong with my lessons? I followed the directions and I did what was required. I'm not asking for anything that I have been told is outside the rules so no special priveldges."

That would be a Rex question, wouldn't it? Since he made the observation? He said he would speak to you.

You can ask to work with another person, but the observation doesn't go away. I think it would be better to speak with Rex about how you can improve your entries. If you hear him out and you don't agree, then indicate as much in your conversation with him with evidence of course.

If I can just add. Typically when people (in my life) have asked for more it is because I have more to give. I may kick against the goads, but that doesn't make them wrong

Fyxe wrote: I'm really not trying to be difficult here. And maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but you alls teaching mentality and manner is very offputting. Knights are teachers right? Not apprentices? So why arent knights teaching?

Knights are teaching. In fact, I think the Knights have been patiently attempting to teach you. And a great many members have gathered with you on your journey, replying to posts and offering their ideas, sugeestions, critiques.

It seems to me, however, that you have in mind that only someone of a particular standing has anything to teach you. But, this is a place of learning. To my mind that means everyone regardless of rank can teach us something.

There is a story about an empty cup. The truth is, we all need a bit of emptying before we can fill up. If we have a full cup, no matter how patiently someone works, how politely someone speaks, the effort will ultimately be wasted and the tea on the floor

Fyxe wrote: I'm really not trying to be difficult here. And maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but you alls teaching mentality and manner is very offputting. Knights are teachers right? Not apprentices? So why arent knights teaching?

You will only ever understand the world as you're prepared to view it. Right now, you're locked into a mindset that isn't conducive to learning, and we're trying our best to help coax you out of that shell.

Until you're willing to open your mind and entertain possibilities you may not initially agree with, you won't actually learn much in these virtual halls. To quote a green sockpuppet, you must unlearn what you have learned. And to paraphrase a scholar, the longer you're convinced that you know something, the less you will actually know.

You need to set aside your expectations and just experience your time here. Until you're willing to release those expectations, they will be disappointed. When you come to a place of learning without expectation, you will enter a place of wisdom.

After saying all that, if you still feel slighted, understand that this Temple isn't for everyone. We try to make it as welcoming as we can, but we aren't everyone's cup of tea. I've been here for a long time, and this is the first time I can remember saying these words: if you don't like the way we teach, maybe you should find another place to learn.