Caged or Free?

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maybe for some freedom isnt simply just a state of mind.
warning some viewers may find this distressing





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ACE-BBPRs

Perhaps our only true freedom is choice?

Donkey wrote: maybe for some freedom isnt simply just a state of mind.

I would think in that situation the mind would be most important. You can always choose how to react to something.

And I'm sure it's not any fun having a tube stuck down your nose, but that procedure is used in hospital settings too...and with less dramatics. Warning, this video is incredibly boring, but shows how a calm mind (the mindset you choose) can affect the procedure and your reaction to it.

Wendaline wrote:

Donkey wrote: maybe for some freedom isnt simply just a state of mind.

You can always choose how to react to something.

comes down to freedom, the guy in your video clearly was ok with this. he might feel different if he was forced to accept this implement into his own body against his will.

I think, no matter the rules or laws, we always have the ability to act as we want...

But, if society says its against the rules, lol, and you get caught, then you pay the price society says is penance...

Who doesnt want coddled, taken care of, less responsibility?

But, there's a cost...

For giving up our freedom of doing what we want.....

Of course, as we could fight for these rights, but, if not enough people care about a freedom, and it doesnt have enough supporters, then that freedom is lost...

Like motorcycle helmet law... Why must I wearca helmet because the law says? If I realize it could greatly increase my chances of not getting hurt, wouldn't, shouldn't I want to wear it? (We don't have a law, just picking a new law to play with besides abortion, gun control, or any of the mainstays, lol)

But, if I don't want to, shouldn't that be my right? Take it away, and make it law, then my grandchildren would be safe, right?

Just more talking.... lol...

Donkey wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

Donkey wrote: maybe for some freedom isnt simply just a state of mind.

You can always choose how to react to something.

comes down to freedom, the guy in your video clearly was ok with this. he might feel different if he was forced to accept this implement into his own body against his will.

I agree. My point was about freedom of mind. Even if something is happening against your will you have the freedom to choose how to respond. You can fight, you can calm down and accept it, or many number of things. Also, Mos Def was also a volunteer.

Donkey wrote: maybe for some freedom isnt simply just a state of mind.

That is the lack physical freedom. You are never free to "not eat" if somebody is forcing you. You can't DO anything about that, so you're better off just eating on your own.

Connor Lidell wrote:

Donkey wrote: maybe for some freedom isnt simply just a state of mind.

That is the lack physical freedom. You are never free to "not eat" if somebody is forcing you. You can't DO anything about that, so you're better off just eating on your own.

Freedom to accept oppression? I guess

Yeah, it sucks, but that's what happens when you try to force idealism into reality.

Connor Lidell wrote: Yeah, it sucks, but that's what happens when you try to force idealism into reality.

who is forcing who in a forced feeding?
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