don't the let sith invade us

Williamkaede wrote: I'm amazed this thread is still going.

I'm not... If Patrick has not had his question answered, then he has the right to continue to ask for clarification...

However... That being said...

If I am not able to explain any better to him than I have done, then why should I continue to post in this thread?

So, if you do not have anything to contribute, then, as Althea said,

Althea wrote: *sigh* I give up,

For what is left to say?

Resticon... We are about tolerance... And I appreciate what you said... I have read this thread from the beginning as it transpired... I dont recall Patrick calling the Sith names, but, if it did happen, you are quite correct as we frown on disparaging remarks about others...

Also, if he is referring to the Fictional Sith, and as they dont exist, for real Sith are different from their fictional name-sakes... Then he is offending no one...

Life is how you look at it...

If anyone insults anyone, you better check yourself... I have a reputation for not being the jovial fat man in those cases... Please reread the "Notice of Behavior"

Thanks, now, where are the cookies?

V-Tog wrote:

PatrickB wrote: And is not the same as studying sithiisme.The jedi don't feel the same way about the force then the sithiism . I hope you understand my point of view .

Can you explain how you believe the Sith to think differently about the Force?

I'll give you a clue as to where I'm going with this...many people, or perhaps most people within the Jedi community do not believe there there is any such thing as the 'light' side of the Force, nor the 'dark' side.

Hi v-tog I am glad that you ask .The sith lords are in a secretive business they train for real with other of there kind. but let me say that it is not easy to understand there point of view.But that truth is there. let me say that they have code language in they invent word that is not in the dictionary .It kind of slang English .It's like , that i meet somebody sometime and speak to him and i do understand what is saying but it is like really awkward almost funny speaking and they make different association by word .I remark this phenomena by hang in around people who wore poor and not to much educated .And by the that I observe that the sugess me job in the criminal system that i did not accept.Or like taking drug .And more I knew them more it was crazy.And I hope i'v not offend any one by this.

But there's other rank in there system .There also the richer one , the one who's making the decision there call inquisitor .There the one who recruit the less fortunate and make them "worker".

I meant by saying there's the light side of the force and it is not the same as the dark side.It's because they don't do the same thing as us .Like i explain to you v-tog .

The light side is peaceful and the dark side is confusing and especial more addictive.

And by that faculty I am studying the light of the force my favorite subject.

Jestor wrote: Life is how you look at it...

I understand and will attempt to further broaden my view in the future.

Thanks to V-Tog and Master Jestor for helping me to see alternative views on this topic that I had not considered. I still have much to learn here.

Jestor wrote: Thanks, now, where are the cookies?

I have Triple Chocolate Chunk and Strawberry Shortcake. You want?

Jestor wrote:

Althea wrote: *sigh* I give up,

For what is left to say?

^ this

/irony

For those that do not know, I am always open to new ideas, points of view and opinions. There is always a lesson to be learned and understanding is our greatest tool. I do have friends that are Sith and I have asked them about the paths they follow and how they see that we differ. This is one response, word for word, from one that I consider to be a good friend.

No, I have a working understanding of the Jedi. I found that coming to understand the light side of the Force deepened my understanding of the dark side, and my ability to use it. I think students of one side would do well to learn from the other one for a more complete knowledge of the Force.

Broadly speaking, the Sith Lords draw on the Force, just like Jedi. More specifically, we drive ourselves with emotion and passion, though the wise Sith tempers these accordingly with a counterbalance to make them assets, and not liabilities.

The Sith and Jedi are very similar in many ways, and in the big picture among Masters, there is no appreciable difference when you remove the means and details. However, these means and details are somewhat different. The Jedi find Power through Knowledge, whereas the Sith find Knowledge through Power. The Jedi seek self-mastery and change in the world through selflessness; defending others and doing well for them by promoting harmony, directly improving the world, and indirectly building discipline and self-mastery. The Sith seek the same things by turning inward, to ourselves, making the most of ourselves that we are able to in body, mind, and spirit, indirectly improving the world by maximizing ourselves and effecting the changes we want in time, as well as by being role models, and directly build discipline and self-mastery. We also take a somewhat different communal stance, though I am now using generalizations that may not apply to everyone. The Jedi embrace synergy together, making a whole greater than they themselves, and in a ways, analogous to their place in Force, which flows through the Jedi, but also through everything else. The Sith, at least those who follow the Rule of Two, minimize cooperation and work as a legacy moreover than a community, though we do interact and cooperate to some extent.

I agree that one source of knowledge does bring rigidity, and consequently stagnation of the source. Even if you do not embrace the Sith way, I think it's beneficial for Jedi to learn from it. Most Sith have studied the lessons of the Jedi, and become better rounded for it.

I hope this has proven at least moderately enlightening.

After speaking to many that claim to be Sith I have noticed one distinct difference. And these are just my opinions. The Jedi believe in community and placing the group above the individual and the Sith view the individual as the primary tenant. I feel that this stems from ego and from the percpective of a Jedi, or just myself… arrogance.

in what he said there is inward culture .In if you read what I Wrote in my previous post I talk about that .Let me tell you wescil these kind of people are not walk in park.There way of thinking is not evidence is not clear all the way for young jedi knighting .But let tell me careful with that friend if there's any friendship for you it might not be the same for him.Inward means secretive behavior and especial hypocrisies .I hope i am not come on to strong with this subject .But please learn the jedi way instead great potential there is to learn.

I try to take the now for what it is and live in the now. If there is other in his heart it will be for him to play.

I thank you for your concern… but one of my philosophies has been, “learn from the past, live in the now and move toward the future.”

Alas, I understand your frustration, Resticon. Unfortunately this battle to bring understanding to the Jedi of what true Sithism is has been one I have fought for 5 years now, bridging the gap between fantasy and reality to many Jedi across the community. Beyond my home, ToTJO was the first I found that was willing to listen to our counterparts, and without my prompting them too. That put my mind to rest.

What irritates me, is when people are so caught up in the fiction that they lose sight of what the realities are of being a Jedi. They fight non-existent enemies, completely missing their calling to help others when thebopportunity arises. They focus on developing force powers which have no practical application (Pyrokinesis, Levetation, etc are on this list- Energy Healing, Astral Projection/Guided Meditations, etc are not, as long as you know/understand proper application for such). They seek problems, rather than allowing "the Force" to move them towards the problems they are meant to resolve. They look to themselves for all of the answers, rather than acknowledge when they are over their head and accept the advice of others. I could go on and on, but it would probably bore you.

Understand, this is a community-wide issue, I'm not calling ToTJO out on it, just that they have had and will continue to see their fair share of them. So don't let those that come in and make such a ruckus turn you away from the path. They will either learn or will find themselves discouraged from sticking around and preaching an agenda that no one agrees with. Ultimately, it's their choice, we can just hope they eventually learn.

Alethea Thompson wrote: Unfortunately this battle to bring understanding to the Jedi of what true Sithism is has been one I have fought for 5 years now, bridging the gap between fantasy and reality to many Jedi across the community.

Since you have been teaching Jedi about the Sith for 5 years, I assume you are very familiar with their practices. I must admit that, since it is not in my nature to focus on myself...ever, I am highly unlikely to follow any Sith practices personally. I would still like to learn more about what their path is about so that I may learn and, in the future, guide with knowledge and tolerance.

Would you be willing to take the time to teach me or, if not, recommend the best method to learn by?

s. I must admit that, since it is not in my nature to focus on myself...ever, I

Quite a slippery slope to not focus on ones self...

As, what we are within, we will project outward....

If we don't work on ourselves, and make ourselves better, how can we make the world better?

Those who call themselves Sith, well, don't concern yourself about them... Make yourself the best you you can, worry about labels later...

I am jestor, I call myself Jedi so you can better understand me... But, as we view life different, some of my actions and thoughts may not be what, or how, you think a Jedi should be...

In that case, don't do those things...

In the scale of devine, to deplorable, I stand somewhere in the middle..... Sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right...

The goal is important... Do you better (focus on) yourself for betterment of the world, and life?

Or just for yourself?

Even then, unbeknownst to most, by bettering yourself, you better the world...

Its a hard line to draw... lol...