don't the let sith invade us

PatrickB wrote: A sith will never tell you is a sitn and destroyer of life .

Do you have evidence, do you fear it, or does it excite you that it might be true?

In absence of it actually happening (evidence?), I agree its important to prepare for the worst, but evangelizing the worse case scenario as reality seems to indicate the root is indeed fear masquerading as belief in which case the habit could be to seek out validation for the belief to compensate for the lack of evidence. Unfortunately the process of such evangelizing could tend to create such conflict where it might not have even existed! Which then could show that your fear actually caused it to become reality!! Im not the best person to talk about confronting fear, but I think its best to confront the fear within yourself, quieten it, rationalize it, know how you'd react if confronted and then realize it for what it is, just a train of thought which has recruited some emotions...rather then expressing it outwards. If the concept excites you at some subtle level then that is called roleplaying probably.

Hummm...

Are there individuals you would name that are sith in real life? Are you talking about those that follow sithism or are you talkihng about people from every day life that exhibit the traits of being sith?

I can tell you from personal experience that i have never had to stop an adherent of sithism from kicking a puppy or slaying a waiter who provided sub par service. If they do have a secret hateful end it mind, it is so deeply hidden that it actually has no impact on the world.

Adder i don't want to miss led you.I am only speaking about the fact that the association of sithiisme is in fact associated with people who are born differently them most people . I am saying that it is an observation of my studying I have read many book about star wars " I am always surprise when a person saying that it Is like fictional or almost a role playing .My opinion is that don't think that the inspiration of the jedi order it actually from a films and correct me if I'm wrong .that's why in the same way that I discover that the sithiisme who actually invented the black star to take power over the galaxies and especially the jedi.I discover that the sithiisme had telekinesis ability like the jedi .And believe me that is in fact not far from many legend in mythologies.And now theater is it kind of the new ways to tell life adventure .That my point of view .


Evidence ? do really think the jedi exist or it's only role playing ?

Fear ? Usually I am very inspired by life and let say i Know better than fear!

excite ? A Jedi must not go to excitement it create the lost of your patience !

Let me tell I am not excite by anything !

shadowmere wrote: what i mean is that the storys of jedi are peace keepers and the sith in some eyes are evil...so if there is no evil to make peace why are there jedi? but also what i meant was the jedi are ying(or yang cant remember which is which) and the sith yang... without darkness there wouldnt be light and the same with the jedi. bt yes jedi could exist in the most peaceful times but why? its just like inventing a big block designed to put nails into wood when we still have the hammer...if there is no other opposite life to the jedi then we are just another version of something that exists, another way of peace... by now i would have lost what i was saying but i hope you get the general idea...

Xon-Tay Lor wrote: But surely that goes both ways; without the jedi there is no need for the sith!

The way I see it, Sith and Jedi are not opposites. I mean...is it possible to determine the opposite of the Jedi? We are just people, and each of us is different - the definition of a Jedi is not absolute and can vary hugely from person to person. Hence why I say that there cannot be an opposite.

Besides which, what is an opposite? Do opposites really exist at all?

I understand the example of light and dark - but are they actually two separate (but co-dependent) things? Or are they different perceptions of the same thing? An attempt to categorise something that is not meant to be categorised...the game of black and white?

And if we did not have darkness, we could still have light (or vice versa) - we just wouldn't know it as light because it would be a constant never-changing feature of our existence - we would have no reason to attempt to name or categorise it.

So on that basis, would it not be possible for every single person in the world to be a Jedi? Perhaps we just wouldn't realise that we were Jedi, because would never have experienced or observed any other way of living. It (being a 'Jedi') wouldn't have a name, because we wouldn't even have noticed it.

It seems that the term 'Sith' in this thread is starting to mean anyone or anything bad or evil. Depending on your personal view of what Jediism is, it is conceivable that people would believe that part of the duty or calling of a Jedi is to protect against evil - and so if there were no evil in the world, we would not be Jedi because some of our aims would be different. Perhaps we might still call ourselves 'Jedi', but we would be something different sharing the same name.

But the 'Sith' are actually a very specific subgroup of people - does our existence as Jedi really have anything to do with them? How much of your time do you spend fighting Sith? By which I mean people who consider themselves to be a Sith, not that idiot down the road who beat up your little brother, or that guy you had to restrain and calm down after he started a punch-up the other night (just examples, not to be taken too literally... )

When people say 'Sith' to me it holds very little meaning. I know to whom they are referring, but at the same time I cannot see any kind of divide between myself and them. It's frustrating that even our language is set up to create divides - I found that I was contradicting myself in that last sentence by saying that there is no divide - between myself and them. There is no need to put labels on people. To me, 'Jedi' is a description of the path that I follow. much like having a label on a jar so that you know what is in it. The labels on the jars are necessary so that you don't end up cooking with completely the wrong ingredients - the term 'Jedi' is necessary so that we know we have found the place or people that we were looking for. 'Jedi' is not, however, a label or description of ME. I cannot be labelled. Do you see the difference between labelling your path/philosophy/beliefs, and labelling yourself?

In exactly the same way, when someone introduces themselves as a Sith I do not see a Sith. I see a unique manifestation of the Force, part of that same Force that I am of, and a person who just so happens to be following the path that is called 'Sithism'. It is not who they are and it does not define them.

In essence, the Jedi and the Sith do not need each other in order to exist, because you cannot say that they are two distinct things. Like light and dark being perhaps two different perspectives of the same thing, Jedi and Sith are also two ways of seeing the same thing...and that thing, I guess, is life.

I agree with you and that that reply.And Ilike to say there totally a distinctinction about a jedi an sith .And from the dark side and the light side of the force .And plus the to distinction is to make it and in fact the truth is the truth no mistake about it . So that's how ti goes.The thing is a think is the division from a light and darkness is to my sense is not the same thing .For it sense not the force who the force and every one can use it , the force mean also honnesty.The way that jedi discover the force it is for jedi only and not for the sithiisme.

An especially the sense a got that I rarely speak about force and the where about of the positive side I really never heard a sith talking about the force and that is all beautiful AND EVERITHING.they ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT TROUBLE IN THE FORCE .always arguing. the good and bad in the force .Anyway i just wanted to say

I'm amazed this thread is still going.

The Sith Realists and Dark Aspect members don't talk about the Force as much as Jedi groups, because for the most part we're not as hung up on fulfilling Star Wars stereotypes and concepts. My Master has barely mentioned the Force in the apprenticeship. I know of a Sith Sorceress but that's about it. To us it's more philosophy than religion.

But for the road? I define myself as the Force, based on the tenets of the Sith Code. My passion, my strength and my power grant my victory to free me and break my chains. I freed myself, ergo, I am the Force.

PatrickB wrote: I am only speaking about the fact that the association of sithiisme is in fact associated with people who are born differently them most people . I am saying that it is an observation of my studying I have read many book about star wars " I am always surprise when a person saying that it Is like fictional or almost a role playing.

Alright now, I'm brand new to the Temple of the Jedi Order but after reading this thread, I have to say I almost feel embarrassed to be interested in associating myself with this type of behavior. I joined in the interest of finding a belief that I could agree with and which seemed to be more concerned with love and understanding than in pointing out flaws in other beliefs, groups and individuals. This thread seems to encompass my issues with virtually all other religions. The lack of tolerance.

I understand from reading this thread that Patrick can not speak English as well as those of us who are native speakers of the language. With that being said, it has been fairly clear that this discussion has been going on for several days, with members of all ranks and backgrounds trying to help him understand this one simple fact. The Jedi and Sith that belong to this order are not role-playing, are not associated with Star Wars in any way, shape or form and they are here trying to find spiritual guidance and advice. This was something I read on the homepage of this website before I even joined.

In the statement above, I can see two glaring issues.

First and foremost, he refers to his studying as having read many books about Star Wars. This organization/religion/belief, whatever you may choose to call it, is not about Star Wars...at all. He is portraying an entire group of people as evil based on having read some Star Wars books and having seen a few movies that have nothing to do with the people he is talking about.

Second, and just as important, he describes the Sith Order as being people who were born different. This statement not only shows a total misunderstanding of the concept of who and what Sith are (even though it has been explained to him many times now) but also disdain for anyone with a different viewpoint from his own.

He shows a complete lack of the desire to learn about, speak to or understand another viewpoint based on the idea that they are"Evil" and that they will try to bring him over to their side. This seems to me that he has a mental image in his head of all Sith being Darth Vader and that they will try to bring the "darkness" out like he did with Luke.

Patrick, please forget that idea. Open yourself up to learning about other views. These people who follow the Sith Order...they are human beings and are deserving of the respect and tolerance that you should show to any other person, be they Jedi, Sith, Grey Jedi or unaffiliated. I have seen you call them Evil, Demons, and Stupid and that is definitely NOT symbolic of the loving attitude you should be learning here. This is part of what it means to be a Jedi, is it not? To be tolerant of other people's views?

I would ask that before you post anything else, that you thoroughly read the FAQ section of this site as well as the Jedi Creed on the Homepage. Something I believe everyone was supposed to do before attaining Temple membership. I would also recommend that if you see something that you do not understand on either of those pages that you speak privately with a ranked member. This might help to clear up some confusion you seem to have on this topic and help you to stop degrading an entire group of people publicly and for no reason. While I believe my path is that of the Jedi, I can not bear witnessing what is being said about these individuals, some of whom have been studying both sides of the Force for many years.

Would it be possible to have a more experienced member PM me about this. I would like to know if this is something I should expect often or if this is just an example of a confused individual that happens rarely. Thank you!

Just my thoughts on the subject, sorry for the length.
May the Force be with you all.

From what I have read on this jedi temple we are able to give are opinion .I am only discussing my point of view . Some of you don't realize that I am not doing anything wrong only expressing my idea. It ' is very difficult the intolerance of commentary to understand. I like to write that people that studies the force enjoy writing about different subject . I don't think it is an offence to them .I am studying only the light of the force . And both sides i am not.And your kind of new here i suggest that the most important factor is to be able to live in tolerance .I am only saying the difference between right and wrong here.

I subscribe here in the temple because i like to speak about the force and not the contrary .many I am being arch but is the subjet interesting you ? please answer me back i like to discover you opinion .

And is not the same as studying sithiisme.The jedi don't feel the same way about the force then the sithiism . I hope you understand my point of view .

I'd have the faculty to be honest and only to be wtih one side of the force , it a natural faculty of me . I am just born that way .

the lack of judgement it' is not what I am and I am not bieng intolerance.I only put the facts on the table.

And i am pretty sure that people enjoy speaking about this subject.The matter is what you make of it .
And by the way when i read your response it seem to me that you understand quite a lot .

And have a nice day.

Where there is compassion there is tolerance
where's tolerance there's compassion .

where there is expression there is compassion
where there is tolerance there is amiability

PatrickB wrote: And is not the same as studying sithiisme.The jedi don't feel the same way about the force then the sithiism . I hope you understand my point of view .

Can you explain how you believe the Sith to think differently about the Force?

I'll give you a clue as to where I'm going with this...many people, or perhaps most people within the Jedi community do not believe there there is any such thing as the 'light' side of the Force, nor the 'dark' side.

I have NO problem with the free expression of ideas and opinions. But keep in mind that not everyone is at the same point along their own paths and that some of our paths will lead us different directions.

I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;

To be understood as to understand;

That is one of the beauties of Jediism... especially at TOTJO. We not only accept diversity but celebrate it.