Opinions on the new world order

I live in New York State USA. Our Governor has made a new gun law that is quite controversial. He is of course will be run for President of the US so his motivations are obvious. Batteling with the NRA is like free political advertising for him. I'm suggesting you question the: motives, experiences and subject knowledge of the folks that are most vocal on gun control.

Having said that: background checks for crooks and nut cases and tracking private gun sales are good things. Limiting the size of gun clips would not change my life either.

Bad people are bad people, we will always have them. Random violence is random. Can't change that either.

I refuse to believe that changes in gun law, as oin comparable first world nations, would not have.beneficial results. We lead the world in. Gun deaths. Ask yourself why? And why other countries gun deathj rates are so very much lower per capita than ours.

This isn't malevolent. Its math. Its logic. More guns equals more people shot. And my own motives, experiwences and knowledge with weapons is above reproach.

Desolous wrote: More guns equals more people shot.

I think that's a gross oversimplification.

Whats overly simple about it? Take books for example, fewer books means fewer bible thumpers because there would be fewer bibles to thump.

Desolous wrote: . And my own motives, experiwences and knowledge with weapons is above reproach.

I wasn't directing my statment at you. Sorry if you took it that way. I think you would agree there a lot of ignorant people vocal about guns.

More guns equals more people shot.

Guns in the wrong peoples hands is the problem.

Andy Spalding wrote: Whats overly simple about it? Take books for example, fewer books means fewer bible thumpers because there would be fewer bibles to thump.

It also means lower literacy rates and less dissemination of knowledge, leading to a more ignorant populace. Simplicity is amazingly understaffed to handle the societal needs of walking tubes with holes at each end most of the time.

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. Simplicity is amazingly understaffed to handle the societal needs of walking tubes with holes at each end most of the time.[/quote]

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

We should also limit plastic light sabers too. BECAUSE...

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Brenna wrote: I believe the expression is "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

I’ve always said that, “guns don’t kill people, Dads with pretty daughters kill people!”

Hahahhahaha :woohoo:

Andy Spalding wrote: Whats overly simple about it? Take books for example, fewer books means fewer bible thumpers because there would be fewer bibles to thump.

I found that to be amusing!

There seems to be two basic lines of thought. Have guns and defend yourself from bad people doing bad things to you, and don’t have guns and protect people from other people with guns. Interestingly enough, both positions seem to be decisions based out of fear. Fear of one thing or another. And that’s really what guns come down to on their most basic level. Fear. Why does an Army have guns? Fear of being defeated. Why do hunters have guns? Fear of not getting the game. Why does a civilian have a gun? Fear for personal protection. It may very well be an oversimplification, but that’s what I see… fear, fear, fear!

Do I own firearms? Yup! Do I have a fear of any of those things previously mentioned? Nope! Why do I own a firearm? I like long distance marksmanship.

Like with anything, you can legalize it or make it illegal, people will still do it and do bad things with it. That doesn’t mean you should give up though. But rather than say you should or shouldn’t have a thing, why don’t we educate others? Why not work to improve the “morals” of the society so that we don’t have to worry about someone doing something mean, stupid or spiteful?

I think that it would be a better world if people were afforded the freedom of choice, and they chose not to.

Rickie The Grey wrote:

steamboat28 wrote: Simplicity is amazingly understaffed to handle the societal needs of walking tubes with holes at each end most of the time.

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

I'm trying to say that "simple" doesn't usually work well with people, because people aren't really simple.

Life is simple, people make it complex.

Why do I own a firearm? I like long distance marksmanship

Would you protect home and family with your firearm if bad people kicked in your front or back door and entered the house?

FYI target shooting is fun

Wescli Wardest wrote: Like with anything, you can legalize it or make it illegal, people will still do it and do bad things with it.

I totally agree. I find it amusing that the gun argument perfectly mimics the violent video game argument, which mimics the rock music degeneration argument, which mimics ...

It is my opinion that what the true problem with this comes down to being concerned about the wrong things, and acting from a standpoint of fear and paranoia. Read the article below - it's very enlightening. Ironically, it was written by a Texan.

Ban on Hypocrisy

Banton_Feil wrote: Ironically, it was written by a Texan.

Ban on Hypocrisy

yeah, we know all about them thar texans round here. dont we, wes?

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Why do I own a firearm? I like long distance marksmanship

Would you protect home and family with your firearm if bad people kicked in your front or back door and entered the house?

FYI target shooting is fun

Honestly, I have a few fire arms in my home… al within easy reach at a moment’s notice. But, when I feel the “need” to grab a weapon to defend myself, my home or my daughter it is not one of the fire arms I grab first. My home is rather small and I have neighbors. None of the walls would stop a round out of any of my fire arms. And I am relatively comfortable with hand to hand combat plus, I know my home pretty well and I have given thought as to how to defend it. So, one of my swords is the first thing I grab if I grab something at all.

That does not mean that I would never grab a fire arm to defend myself, home, neighbor, friend or country… it just means that it is not always my first choice.

Desolous wrote: yeah, we know all about them thar texans round here. dont we, wes?

Whilst I live in Texas, I'm not really a Texan, I'm from PA, as I've often been reminded that makes me a Yankee who's lost.

Banton_Feil,

I don't think of you as a lost yankee... I know you got here as fast as you could.

hahahhahahhahha :woohoo:

Banning guns....nope, won't stop the criminals...last week here in florida on back to back days 2 police cruisers were broken into, and the only things taken from them...the guns and vests...proving that criminals will go to any length to get fire arms....

I am however all for mental health screenings, background checks, and safety training requirements...or at least military experience...do I have guns? Damn straight...why? Because I like to target shoot, I like to hunt, I like to keep my skills sharp, and because I can....I'm not a felon, nor mentally unstable....I am well versed in safe handling, shooting, and care of fire arms...I grew up with them...

In my home I have easy access to several guns, swords, knives, autobatons, and other defensive weapons...now I live in an apartment, so I would never use my guns....besides all the weapons, I also have my self defense training....and my fastest line of defense, my personal protector....my overly protective pitbull

I don't think an outright ban on guns is at all possible in this country. There are hunreds of millions of them, and tens of millions of legal gun owners, many of whom, as we see, would go to great lengths to maintain ownership.

Viable gun control approaches must be discussed and implemented. I am sick of reading about the latest massacre in the news, time after time, and wondering what it will take to make those approaches a reality. If even one life is saved because of them, then I think it is worthwhile. What if it were your own life? Or your child? Or other friends and family? It shouldn't have o come to that for people to enact change, yet here we are as a nation, still in the same shape as we were before any of the other massacres.

i do find the timing of the increase in shootings questionable...it just "feels" unusual....i had the same feeling as i watched the events of 9/11 ....something just didn't "feel" right...i can't help but think there's some political motive moving in the background...just outside of perception...