Hey! Let's Open The Vaccination Can Of Worms!

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01 Mar 2015 23:12 - 01 Mar 2015 23:37 #182850 by

Gisteron wrote: Evidence for the damaging effects of mercury is not evidence for the damaging effects of vaccines even if they contain it.


I would love to hear you make that case before a Judge.

Well you see your honor, I just added 10ml of dimethylmercury to an IV drip of a patient but that had nothing to do with the patient dying. There is no evidence that dimethylmercury is toxic in an IV saline solution!

There is zero possibility a Judge would buy that argument, no matter what twisted logic you threw at him.

We are talking about a substance that has killed people who dropped a few drops of it on their latex gloves, and the amount that was able to pass through the latex gloves still killed them.

https://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19980309.html

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Gisteron wrote: evidence for the damaging effects of vaccines even if they contain it.

Gisteron wrote: we definately should be seeing if there is one.


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

Thimerosal at concentrations relevant for infants' exposure (in vaccines) is toxic to cultured human-brain cells and to laboratory animals.

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Gisteron wrote: Brenna argued that it is a trade-off and that we are willingly risking the negative for the positive.


If enough people stood up and said enough is enough, remove the mercury from all vaccines now, it would happen. Unfortunately not enough people care to make this happen. There is no reason why we have to inject ourselves with mercury in order to obtain the benefits of vaccination, other than not enough people care enough to change the status quo.

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Gisteron wrote: Show us the negative that most of us should by now be suffering from.


1 in 68 people in the US (and the number is growing) have a disease which shares features with chronic mercury poisoning.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 1 in 68 children (or 14.7 per 1,000 eight-year-olds) in multiple communities in the United States has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This new estimate is roughly 30 percent higher than previous estimates reported in 2012 of 1 in 88 children (11.3 per 1,000 eight year olds) being identified with an autism spectrum disorder."

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19593333

"A prospective study of prenatal mercury exposure from maternal dental amalgams and autism severity."

"Hg(mercury) exposure during key developmental periods was associated with autism spectrum disorders (ASDs).

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23222182

"Previous studies have found a higher body-burden of toxic metals, particularly mercury (Hg), among subjects diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in comparison to neurotypical controls. Moreover, Hg body-burden was associated with ASD severity. "

"This study helps to provide additional mechanistic support for Hg in the etiology of ASD severity, and is supported by an increasing number of recent critical reviews that provide biological plausibility for the role of Hg exposure in the pathogenesis of ASDs."

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22810216

Evidence of parallels between mercury intoxication and the brain pathology in autism.

The purpose of this review is to examine the parallels between the effects mercury intoxication on the brain and the brain pathology found in autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This review finds evidence of many parallels between the two

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The evidence suggests that mercury may be either causal or contributory in the brain pathology in ASD, possibly working synergistically with other toxic compounds or pathogens to produce the brain pathology observed in those diagnosed with an ASD.
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01 Mar 2015 23:21 - 01 Mar 2015 23:24 #182851 by

Adder wrote: I don't think anyone is saying all people are going to suffer the effects of mercury poisoning from vaccines... the concern seems to be 'some' people might, and the problem is their is no proof (yet, or ever).


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

activity of low doses of Thimerosal against isolated human and animal brain cells was found in all studies and is consistent with Hg (mercury) neurotoxicity

Thimerosal at concentrations relevant for infants' exposure (in vaccines) is toxic to cultured human-brain cells and to laboratory animals.

doses relevant to TCV (Thimerosal containing vaccines) exposure possess the potential to affect human neuro-development.
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01 Mar 2015 23:44 #182852 by RyuJin
the only way to develop an immunity to something is to be exposed to it...living in a sterile environment creates weak immune systems...

vaccinate, don't vaccinate...it's the parents choice...they should however be smart enough to do the research themselves first and not base their decisions on someone else's claims, and they better be willing to face the consequences for their decisions ....

for the record, i'm fully vaccinated courtesy of my parents and the u.s. military, i do not keep my environment sterile, and when i was working purposely exposed myself to sick customers to build up my immunity...i've never had to take a sick day....and rarely ever catch a cold

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01 Mar 2015 23:51 #182853 by rugadd
Red Eye:

Why is the mercury added(benefit?)? Can vaccines be created without it?

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02 Mar 2015 00:28 #182858 by

rugadd wrote: Red Eye:

Why is the mercury added(benefit?)? Can vaccines be created without it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

It's functions as a preservative mostly in multidose vials, to keep pathogens from growing.

Many vaccines are made without using any thimerosal as a preservative.
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02 Mar 2015 02:21 #182865 by
Let's just watch this instead of getting are info from wikipedia or firewalled scientific journals.

Start at 2:55

http://youtu.be/QgpfNScEd3M?t=2m55s
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02 Mar 2015 02:42 - 02 Mar 2015 02:54 #182867 by

Vesha wrote: .....


Being against injecting yourself with one of the most potent neurotoxins EVER discovered doesn't mean you are against vaccines.

The analogy I used earlier is that being against spraying fruits and vegetables with potent neurotoxins doesn't make you against fruits and vegetables.

This debate is framed so that it is a false dichotomy, and in reality it is much more complex than that.

Vesha wrote: firewalled scientific journals.

Vesha wrote: just watch this instead


If you don't want to read journals watch this video by the University of Calgary.

The evidence on how mercury destroys your brain is overwhelming and unquestionable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8
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06 Mar 2015 14:19 #183273 by Jestor
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08 Mar 2015 17:58 - 08 Mar 2015 18:01 #183518 by

Jestor wrote: Found this relevant to the title of the thread...


Any reasonable person can conclude that using umbrellas is good idea when it's raining.

Any reasonable person would NOT want to use an umbrella with a handle that was covered in hundreds of razor-blades, and weighed 50lbs.

Normal umbrellas that are light weight and not covered in razor blades are possible to manufacture.
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08 Mar 2015 19:29 #183524 by Gisteron

Red_Eye_Jedi wrote:

Jestor wrote:


Any reasonable person can conclude that using umbrellas is good idea when it's raining.

Any reasonable person would NOT want to use an umbrella with a handle that was covered in hundreds of razor-blades, and weighed 50lbs.

Normal umbrellas that are light weight and not covered in razor blades are possible to manufacture.

Any and all normal mortal people would injure their hands on a razor-blade covered umbrella and probably suffer severe shoulder problems after a while because of the 50lbs. Is it anywhere even near all of the vaccinated who suffer measurable consequences? Your comparsion is invalid, sir. Jestor's wasn't.

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