Hey! Let's Open The Vaccination Can Of Worms!

Red_Eye_Jedi wrote: We know that the rates of ASD have risen dramatically in recent years, as has our exposure to mercury. Now 1 in 68 has ASD.

Careful about your claims here; there is currently no conclusive evidence that ASD is actually on the rise. A few years back they expanded the definition of ASD to include more children, so we shouldn't be surprised when more children are diagnosed as such. Such labels as 'autistic' used to be held exclusively for those who could not cope in everyday life on even a basic level, but now many well-functioning members of society fall within the spectrum (including a couple of my friends).

As always, make sure you do research before making claims, and make sure that you understand what is being said in each paper.

Fenton wrote: there is currently no conclusive evidence that ASD is actually on the rise.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 1 in 68 children (or 14.7 per 1,000 eight-year-olds) in multiple communities in the United States has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This new estimate is roughly 30 percent higher than previous estimates reported in 2012 of 1 in 88 children (11.3 per 1,000 eight year olds) being identified with an autism spectrum disorder."

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Fenton wrote: A few years back they expanded the definition of ASD to include more children

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

"The criteria used to diagnose ASDs and the methods used to collect data have not changed."


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Fenton wrote: As always, make sure you do research before making claims

To you as well.

I study autism for a living. I know for a fact that the DSM V has expanded the definition of autism to include a wider range of individuals. I further know that doctors are better at seeing the signs of ASD than they have been in previous years, which may account for the increased number of individuals. But I will return with some research later

I am not of the opinion that individuals who receive vaccinations will in any case develop ASD. Even if there is a correlation, there are many other variables that need to be considered. First rule of statistics: correlation does not equal causation.

I can respect the rights of individuals to chose themselves not to have vaccinations and to even make that determination for their children. I would caution them that they are taking a very big risk on the overall public health of the rest of the nation, but we cannot force people to do something against their will.

Rosalyn J wrote: I study autism for a living. I know for a fact that the DSM V has expanded the definition of autism to include a wider range of individuals

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

"The criteria used to diagnose ASDs and the methods used to collect data have not changed."


According to the CDC their criteria and methods didn't change compared to their last survey, at least for the purposes of their report.

Or.

They made a typo.

Red_Eye_Jedi wrote:

Fenton wrote: there is currently no conclusive evidence that ASD is actually on the rise.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 1 in 68 children (or 14.7 per 1,000 eight-year-olds) in multiple communities in the United States has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This new estimate is roughly 30 percent higher than previous estimates reported in 2012 of 1 in 88 children (11.3 per 1,000 eight year olds) being identified with an autism spectrum disorder."

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Fenton wrote: A few years back they expanded the definition of ASD to include more children

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

"The criteria used to diagnose ASDs and the methods used to collect data have not changed."


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Fenton wrote: As always, make sure you do research before making claims

To you as well.

Firstly, your first point is referring to a change in the estimates made, not the actual numbers. People are allowed to revise their estimates without any change to actual figures. Estimates must be made, because exact numbers can never be known on such issues where misdiagnoses can occur in both directions (children with ASD being diagnosed as otherwise, or not diagnosed at all, and children without be diagnosed with).

Your second point (if you have bothered to read the article you cited) was referring to the fact that no changes have been made (at least within the CDC diagnostics) to ASD framework since 2010.

I'm not here to argue with you, but you are making it incredibly hard to resist, especially when you promote the misuse of reports and articles. I will not question your motives or ideas further but, please, just let the issue die.

Fenton wrote: especially when you promote the misuse of reports and articles.

I do no such thing friend.

Fenton wrote: I will not question your motives or ideas further

I'll hold you to it.

Maybe I'm misreading this but judging by the eight points you are making and considering what you said earlier about even correlation being something you have no way of showing, I'm getting an increasingly strong case that all of this recent debate has naught to do with vaccination and is by that token off-topic, as I already suggested it is...

Gisteron wrote: I'm getting an increasingly strong case that all of this recent debate has naught to do with vaccination

Indeed it's been finished since page 11 or so.

It boils down to mercury is a potent and proven neurotoxin and injecting yourself with it, or consuming it is a bad idea.

Thimerosal in vaccines is merely one vector for exposure to mercury.

The human capacity to repeat the same talking points over and over, regardless of contrary evidence continuing to mount, will never cease to amaze me.

steamboat28 wrote: The human capacity to repeat the same talking points over and over, regardless of contrary evidence continuing to mount, will never cease to amaze me.

Hi Steamboat28,

If you are referring to me, I have sourced everything I've said, and I've debunked every counter claim thoroughly with sources.

Things like they took the mercury out of vaccines, and mercury has a biological role in the body, etc.