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01 Aug 2019 01:33 #340771 by Tellahane
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ren wrote:

Tempest Nox wrote:

lightscribe wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing


I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?


Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.


I challenge you to tell an inmate on death row that their sentence is like getting banned from Totjo.

A ban is permanent until the council overrules it.


Now when you say overrule, what process takes place for that to happen? An official vote?
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01 Aug 2019 12:31 #340775 by ren
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Yes. The council can do or undo anything.

Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.

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02 Aug 2019 00:57 #340798 by Tellahane
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ren wrote: Yes. The council can do or undo anything.

but a vote is always required yes?

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02 Aug 2019 02:22 #340804 by ren
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The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.

Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.

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02 Aug 2019 11:22 #340810 by Tellahane
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ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.


So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?
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02 Aug 2019 17:29 #340828 by Carlos.Martinez3
www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Knigh...rtose?start=0#339366


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I don't know who removed the ban. Only three could do that. It's possible that the ban expired. If the account was banned with a time entered, at the end of that time it unbans without anyone doing anything. I don't remember who entered the ban or if there was a time set.”

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02 Aug 2019 17:35 - 02 Aug 2019 17:36 #340829 by Carlos.Martinez3
IP - Jedi Essay 9: Letting Go of the Past

We teach that it is important for a Jedi to let go of the past and to not dwell on it. We need to remember that things gone by can no longer be changed.

What do you think this means?

How and where does this teaching tie into acceptance, acknowledgement and forgiveness?

Why do you think this might be important for a Jedi?

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02 Aug 2019 18:22 #340830 by Phoenix Vidensia

Tellahane wrote:

ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.


So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?


Now that I’m aware of who this regards, I find myself disturbed. I assumed this was about general ban policy.

I now confront you. It’s been over 22 months. Care to let it go?

... Meh ...
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02 Aug 2019 20:10 - 02 Aug 2019 20:11 #340836 by ZealotX
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Tempest Nox wrote:

lightscribe wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing


I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?


Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.


I don't we can make that metaphor and be (doctrine) against the death penalty. Food for thought.
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02 Aug 2019 20:36 #340839 by ren
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Tellahane wrote:

ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.


So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?


There was no council vote to ban mortose the last time, or at least no record of it. We (the council) have shown forgiveness to other members, and I do not understand why the (some) knights cannot show it to her.

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