Voting to ban members
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ren wrote: The result of a vote (to ban) literally is 'popular opinion'. Discussing opinion is on-topic.
Which is exactly why I don't personally support banning people based on popular vote. Mob rule makes terrible government.
Can you point me to a successful government system that is not based off popular vote?
The popular vote is what makes them successful. The Nazis loved a good referendum.
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Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing
I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?
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Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing
I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?
Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.
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That’s what the councils for lolTempest Nox wrote:
lightscribe wrote:
Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing
I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?
Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.
This ban had the council asking for the Knights advice.
Every ban we get a slew of a few of the same - we don’t like it - it’s not right - why didn’t you tell me - it’s not fair - justice !!! You know , people stuff. We are not about removing any one against anything. Not what we do here. It happens. As many of us know. Ya Kinna hope over time we get better.
After years we let go of offenses ... u know - forgiveness and compassion and such. Who knows ... I’ve felt more comfortable at a “enemy’s” table eating lunch than next to some folk who claim to be this label or that. Truth be told. Any how - no need in beating this dead horse for me.
Not every vote to ban will be given to the knights or the collective to advise.
Any how ... back to our regular scheduled program
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The thing is, people change. I tend to be against lifetime bans for this reason, though I understand the need to protect a community.
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The organization needs to have these kinds of conversations to keep on course and continue to do information sampling like this. When the time comes for a ban, there will always be people unhappy, but at the same time the very nature of a ban is negative. No one likes it, everyone has an opinion, and everyone is a lawyer or knows one.
I'd rather people's opinions be known than to discourage this kind of conversation, this is an excellent venue for leadership and communication both up and down the chain so everyone knows where people are. Better to know now than wonder why people are upset when it comes to pass.
As far as I am concerned, the use of a ban or suspension is administrative in function and not a gauge of someone's person. A suspension to allow for time to think about corrective measures or an enforced time out, a ban for a removal from the group. Both should allow for appeals, but there should be good reasons behind each. What I mean by administrative in function is that the organization is manipulating the group's population to prevent the group from being harmed as opposed to saying Bobby is a butthead. To spin it another way: It's less "Your views suck, go away" and more "The way you present your views is designed to needlessly antagonize others, please stop." One is a personal opinion, one is an administrative function designed to protect the group. So long as the focus remains on someone's impact on the group and how they operate within the organization, I believe we can usually be above petty revenge.
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Tempest Nox wrote:
lightscribe wrote:
Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing
I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?
Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.
I challenge you to tell an inmate on death row that their sentence is like getting banned from Totjo.
A ban is permanent until the council overrules it.
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