Why monogamy is ridiculous

hiddeninthesnow wrote:

ren wrote: With feminists being obsessed with rape

I don't know how you've made it 6 years on any website with such a lack of class.

Really?

edit: apologies. I won't be responding to this obvious troll again.

You are more than welcome to debate my arguments, but would prefer it if in the future you left my "class" and other personal attacks out of it.... And so would the website rules.

ren wrote:

hiddeninthesnow wrote:

ren wrote: With feminists being obsessed with rape

I don't know how you've made it 6 years on any website with such a lack of class.

Really?

edit: apologies. I won't be responding to this obvious troll again.

You are more than welcome to debate my arguments, but would prefer it if in the future you left my "class" and other personal attacks out of it.... And so would the website rules.

Ren, your long membership aside, you sound like someone who has strayed very far from the path. She did not personally attack you, you just don't like being called out. Hiding behind rules goes both ways, if her post counts as an attack, then so does your blatant misogyny.

What you said was incredibly offensive to the opposite sex. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will realize you should apologize and make peace with yourself.

Squint wrote:

ren wrote:

hiddeninthesnow wrote:

ren wrote: With feminists being obsessed with rape

I don't know how you've made it 6 years on any website with such a lack of class.

Really?

edit: apologies. I won't be responding to this obvious troll again.

You are more than welcome to debate my arguments, but would prefer it if in the future you left my "class" and other personal attacks out of it.... And so would the website rules.

Ren, your long membership aside, you sound like someone who has strayed very far from the path. She did not personally attack you, you just don't like being called out. Hiding behind rules goes both ways, if her post counts as an attack, then so does your blatant misogyny.

What you said was incredibly offensive to the opposite sex. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will realize you should apologize and make peace with yourself.

Said the initiate to the clergy. Time to get back on topic, please, instead of judging the opinions of others. I find this whole thread to be offensive, but that doesn't mean I'm here to judge anyone for what works for them in their own lives. Apply this to Ren's opinion, as he is free to express it and it is shaped by his own experiences.

As to what we're supposed to be talking about, the forgoing of nature is the greatest expression of love. If you enter a relationship with the shared idea that monogomy is not valuable, then fine. If you do not, there is no excuse without express permission from your partner.

the forgoing of nature is the greatest expression of love. If you enter a relationship with the shared idea that monogomy is not valuable, then fine. If you do not, there is no excuse without express permission from your partner.

And for a great/large number of people.... that works. And good for them! It is awesome when things work

magmon wrote: Said the initiate to the clergy.

While I admit, it's not exactly on-topic, I feel this statement needs to be highlighted. No one should be immune from criticism. When higher-ups (whether it's priests, deacons or the Archbishop of Canterbury/Pope/Dalai Lama himself) say things that are hateful/offensive/wrong, it's worth calling them out on it. Plus, you might be doing them a favour in the end. But when you give "clergy" a free pass to say/do whatever, it borders on cultishness.

(However, I don't think any opinions, on anything, will be changed in this thread.)

magmon wrote:

Squint wrote:

ren wrote:

hiddeninthesnow wrote:

ren wrote: With feminists being obsessed with rape

I don't know how you've made it 6 years on any website with such a lack of class.

Really?

edit: apologies. I won't be responding to this obvious troll again.

You are more than welcome to debate my arguments, but would prefer it if in the future you left my "class" and other personal attacks out of it.... And so would the website rules.

Ren, your long membership aside, you sound like someone who has strayed very far from the path. She did not personally attack you, you just don't like being called out. Hiding behind rules goes both ways, if her post counts as an attack, then so does your blatant misogyny.

What you said was incredibly offensive to the opposite sex. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will realize you should apologize and make peace with yourself.

Said the initiate to the clergy. Time to get back on topic, please, instead of judging the opinions of others. I find this whole thread to be offensive, but that doesn't mean I'm here to judge anyone for what works for them in their own lives. Apply this to Ren's opinion, as he is free to express it and it is shaped by his own experiences.

As to what we're supposed to be talking about, the forgoing of nature is the greatest expression of love. If you enter a relationship with the shared idea that monogomy is not valuable, then fine. If you do not, there is no excuse without express permission from your partner.

I have no opinion on the topic. I also ignored ren's post in regards to it because that was his opinion. It is entirely my purpose in this thread to call out the misogyny, which I directly quoted and addressed. Finding a topic on monogamy offensive is your perogative, however, your opinion on monogamy is not a protected class, nor is it addressed in the Doctrine. Misogyny is, however, so while he is free to type it, I am free to respond.

Also, I am afraid of no person with an honorific. What I really want is ren to realize he has hate in his heart that he may want to address. From what I understand this is the entire purpose of our being on this forum.

I have no opinion on the topic. I also ignored ren's post in regards to it because that was his opinion. It is entirely my purpose in this thread to call out the misogyny, which I directly quoted and addressed. Finding a topic on monogamy offensive is your perogative, however, your opinion on monogamy is not a protected class, nor is it addressed in the Doctrine. Misogyny is, however, so while he is free to type it, I am free to respond.

You are free to respond, indeed. But you are also derailing the thread. If you have a problem with what he said, send him a private message. If you wish to discuss your apparent feminism, please make a thread.

So again, I ask you all, PLEASE respond on topic. If you wish to debate me or tell me how terrible I am or Ren is, my inbox is open, and I welcome you to vent or simply talk with me. It is not classy to express a negative opinion of another in a public place.

Adi Vas wrote:

magmon wrote: Said the initiate to the clergy.

While I admit, it's not exactly on-topic, I feel this statement needs to be highlighted. No one should be immune from criticism. When higher-ups (whether it's priests, deacons or the Archbishop of Canterbury/Pope/Dalai Lama himself) say things that are hateful/offensive/wrong, it's worth calling them out on it. Plus, you might be doing them a favour in the end. But when you give "clergy" a free pass to say/do whatever, it borders on cultishness.

(However, I don't think any opinions, on anything, will be changed in this thread.)

I was not saying he is not open to critics, just that judgement of his adherance to the path may be a little bold for one new to the path.

Please point me to the part of the Doctrine that states we should not have inconvenient conversations. The very nature of our Oaths and the Doctrine is for purposes such as these
You are concerned for ren, yet no mention of the offended party. What you refer to as classy is an indication that you would rather sweep an uncomfortable conversation under the rug. Is this not what we are here for? This is a learning experience, if a random thread on monogamy is more sacred than a point that is directly relevant to our Doctrine then I and many others are in the wrong place.

magmon wrote: I was not saying he is not open to critics, just that judgement of his adherance to the path may be a little bold for one new to the path.

And yet you have been here for two months -- only a month and change longer than Squint. Is it really your place to decide this? Is it mine, having been here for eight months? Would it be, even if it were eight years? Probably not.

Also, I say none of this out of anger. Perhaps your perception is that I am angry. If I had made a statement that was misogynistic I would want to be told right away so I could meditate on it and respond appropriately and with an apology.