IP Q and A

Should, perhaps, a fourth part to Lesson 0 be added to get Novice's to post the dictionary definition, as well as their understanding of plagiarism and how to avoid it?

All of this could be new to people who are some way through their IP Kit... How do we go about fixing things? Do we just wait to the end of the IP?

Twigga wrote: All of this could be new to people who are some way through their IP Kit... How do we go about fixing things? Do we just wait to the end of the IP?

Arisaig wrote: Should, perhaps, a fourth part to Lesson 0 be added to get Novice's to post the dictionary definition, as well as their understanding of plagiarism and how to avoid it?

It'll go somewhere like that Ari. Once I get it written (should be this week) I'll put it up to the Edu department and we'll decide where to stick it. It'll either be an early lesson with a reminder before the 'esssay' portions (I'm pretty sure that's where the self research comes in first) or put up as a reference and linked in the IP. I feel like a lesson would be best IMO. That way we can point back to their journal entry and say "Hey, remember what you saw here? yeah let's do that"

That's also probably a good place to put the consequences too.

The consequences? What might they be?

Twigga wrote: The consequences? What might they be?

Honestly, we're re-working them. I've come to discover that when I wrote them, I was a little too harsh and too black-and-white with it. They were originally written when I was finding journals where Novices would look up old journals and copy-paste them and it royally ticked me off (honestly I had them even harsher but Alex softened it in a few places). Although it was funny once when a Knight went to review a journal and found some rather familiar words (the Novice had copied the Knight's own journal)

Now I'm going to say this will probably change (it will if I have any say but it needs voting) but here's the process right now.

The IP Team searches for plagiarism in each journal, I don’t think that the Knights also need to, but they can if they feel they need to.

-Once a Novice is discovered to have plagiarized, the IP Team notifies the IP Team Lead, and assigns the Novice to the Lead.

-The Lead will post details in the Admin Forums about the plagiarism, a link to their journal, and the one they copied (or website). This is for Temple records in case the Novice does it again.

-The Lead will soft delete the Novice’s Journal editing the first post with a note in the first line "Locked for plagiarism -(name)". This is so they cannot go back and plagiarize their own plagiarism.

-No other record or announcement is needed. This will be to ensure the Novice has a legitimate second-chance and Knights are not biased when looking for potential apprentices.

-The Lead will hold a conversation with the Novice, asking them why they had plagiarized, explain why it is not tolerated, and what they now need to do. This should be a conversation and not a dressing-down.

-The Novice will then be required to start the IP from the beginning, no matter how far in they’d gotten or how much they had plagiarized by opening a new journal and starting at Lesson 0

- If the Novice plagiarizes a second time, they are banned from training at TotJO (not banned from the forums)

I had written this with the idea that anyone plagiarizing was doing it as an intentional means to skip out on the work. Not that someone might not understand what plagiarism was or how to properly cite their work. I'm not sure how the rules will be changed, or if putting the plagiarism/citation lesson in the IP will mitigate needing to change them. I am open to hearing ideas though (in PM or another thread so we don't draw this one off course)

One of the other things you mentioned was the 60 day limit. If I'd finished in fewer than 60 days, should I wait before submitting my journal, since the checking process does seem to take a while, Or should I wait, because I won't be granted the rank of Initiate before the 60 days are up anyway; and I might think of something relevant to add in the mean time?

Twigga wrote: One of the other things you mentioned was the 60 day limit. If I'd finished in fewer than 60 days, should I wait before submitting my journal, since the checking process does seem to take a while, Or should I wait, because I won't be granted the rank of Initiate before the 60 days are up anyway; and I might think of something relevant to add in the mean time?

Up to you but you might as well get it submitted, you just won't be granted the Initiate rank until the 60 day mark. (I might be wrong though I haven't been involved with IP and ranks in a while)

Thanks Kit - I think that's every conceivable question I could think of in response to your third post in this thread! Thank you so much for your patience, clarity, and honesty! I think this thread is a great resource, and I know I'll be referring to it in future. Many thanks!

Sometimes journals "disappear". Unfortunately this has occurred twice when I have been planning on writing about them in my own IP journal. I've also heard that some people bring their IP journal with them for their apprenticeship studies, so it is no longer visible... Is that true? What other reasons might there be for a journal disappearing, and how should I go about making enquiries as to what's happened?

Yes, when an Apprentice starts their studies they have the option of moving their journal into the Apprentice Chambers, making it invisible to the general membership. Some opt to just start a new journal, really down to the personal choice.

If you ever have questions of that nature, about things disappearing, you can always ask the person who owns the journal, and if they're surprised by the news their journal is gone, well, they can go and ask the admins.