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12 Oct 2018 03:25 #327827
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If you happen to find those websites, look me up.
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12 Oct 2018 04:36 #327832
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Looking for sithism is a pointless pursuit. At least this site I recognized in the US as a 501c3, while sithism (from the decent research I've done) is people agreeing that the other guy isn't a real sith, without saying what real sithism actually is
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12 Oct 2018 06:32 #327844
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Rex wrote: Looking for sithism is a pointless pursuit. At least this site I recognized in the US as a 501c3, while sithism (from the decent research I've done) is people agreeing that the other guy isn't a real sith, without saying what real sithism actually is
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12 Oct 2018 14:44 #327851
by Manu
If what you are looking for is government recognition of tax exempt status, or a community that will constantly tell you how much they love you and how great you are despite achieving nothing in life, then Sithism is probably not for you. There is definitely an element of competition and meritocracy within the Sith subculture.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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Rex wrote: Looking for sithism is a pointless pursuit. At least this site I recognized in the US as a 501c3, while sithism (from the decent research I've done) is people agreeing that the other guy isn't a real sith, without saying what real sithism actually is
If what you are looking for is government recognition of tax exempt status, or a community that will constantly tell you how much they love you and how great you are despite achieving nothing in life, then Sithism is probably not for you. There is definitely an element of competition and meritocracy within the Sith subculture.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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12 Oct 2018 17:40 #327857
by Kobos
Sadly I see this here more than we would probably care to really look at..............
What has to come ? Will my heart grow numb ?
How will I save the world ? By using my mind like a gun
Seems a better weapon, 'cause everybody got heat
I know I carry mine, since the last time I got beat
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Rex wrote: is people agreeing that the other guy isn't a real sith, without saying what real sithism actually is
Sadly I see this here more than we would probably care to really look at..............
What has to come ? Will my heart grow numb ?
How will I save the world ? By using my mind like a gun
Seems a better weapon, 'cause everybody got heat
I know I carry mine, since the last time I got beat
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12 Oct 2018 17:45 - 12 Oct 2018 17:47 #327858
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I guess I can't say much in regards to this, although I don't normally hear good things about Sith but never met one so I don't really know. Who knows what is considered "real" sithism anyway? Like what is "real" Sithism or real Jediism or real Islam or real Christianity? What is considered real? Is one considered real and the other fake, or are two just simply different branches from each other?
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13 Oct 2018 01:28 #327873
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My post speaks to the point that regardless of how TOTJO runs (or Islam or Christianity) there are codified doctrinal points to base interpretations on, a certain level of hierarchy and internal cohesion, and something more unifying than an edgy aesthetic. I don't dislike sith, I just don't take sithism seriously
Your facepalming gifs don't actually say what you believe, whereas TotJO has an aptly names doctrine portion called "Jedi Believe"
The concept of orthodoxy and heterodoxy is a conversation always in a specific context. You can't have heterodox beliefs on the flying spaghetti monster because it was artificed relatively recently. Jediism cites it's sources and the purposeful broadness of interpretation is a stance we hold (as opposed to exclusive belief of other religions). Promoting sith opposition here is silly because
A.) Sith are welcome here, they aren't the opposite of Jediism as far as I can tell
B.) There aren't a significant number of sith, much less well-spoken sith
C.) You could somehow get wider opinions on sithism from siths than you could about Jediism from Jedi (the difference is, we do that purposely)
D.) We're a Jedi website, so discussion of sith beliefs isnt forbidden or even discouraged, but ultimately tangential
But who knows, maybe I haven't done exactly whatever you think I need to do to be taken seriously by the sith
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Your facepalming gifs don't actually say what you believe, whereas TotJO has an aptly names doctrine portion called "Jedi Believe"
The concept of orthodoxy and heterodoxy is a conversation always in a specific context. You can't have heterodox beliefs on the flying spaghetti monster because it was artificed relatively recently. Jediism cites it's sources and the purposeful broadness of interpretation is a stance we hold (as opposed to exclusive belief of other religions). Promoting sith opposition here is silly because
A.) Sith are welcome here, they aren't the opposite of Jediism as far as I can tell
B.) There aren't a significant number of sith, much less well-spoken sith
C.) You could somehow get wider opinions on sithism from siths than you could about Jediism from Jedi (the difference is, we do that purposely)
D.) We're a Jedi website, so discussion of sith beliefs isnt forbidden or even discouraged, but ultimately tangential
But who knows, maybe I haven't done exactly whatever you think I need to do to be taken seriously by the sith
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13 Oct 2018 02:09 #327878
by Manu
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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From OOTS:
Warning: Spoiler!
The way of the Sith is both natural and unnatural; unnatural because it flies in the face of the way humans survive as a society. It teaches that one does not need to apologize for being an individual. It teaches that one can shape reality rather than be shaped by it.
Yet the birds and the wolves and the creatures of the wild do not apologize for being what they are, and thus this idea that one can simply “be” and the world will rearrange itself accordingly is also inherently natural. There are two phases in the Sith development – first the angry, rebellious determination, the need to communicate to others that you are not like them and that you will not conform; second the quiet act of simply being yourself in such a way that others realize they cannot force you to conform, and you forget that this is now your hard-earned truth. I refer to this second phase as the return to the wilderness, where one is able to forget that one is a human and supposed to live by all the human rules, because all the other humans are accommodating the rules you have decided exist; It is difficult to achieve and requires maintenance, and often one slips back into the first phase in order to maintain, until “embodiment” can be achieved.
When one embodies the wild, it no longer requires maintenance.
This is what the Sith progression and advancement is; because it is inherently unnatural to the human, it must be taught to the human. That is the process of Awakening, ideally achieved in becoming a Sith Knight. The Sith Knight is not the perfect embodiment of the Sith Path; rather, the Knight is one who has progressed from a state of apology over who he or she is, and agreed to go into the world on their Knightly “quest” with full ownership of who they are and what they take with them. This is also present in the Nightsister paradigm, “Slaying the Sleeper,” the first trial.
What is the Knightly quest? I wholly subscribe to the paradigm that it ought to be individual, material, measurable, something that one either fails or succeeds at, and always learns from. It could be getting an entrepreneurial business out of the planning phase and actually out into the world. It could be the attainment of a PhD. It is a piece of work that captures in some way the spirit of the Sith Knight. For my own self, finishing university with double honors and an invitation to an extraordinarily prestigious academic society was one such quest; becoming a published author was another; – and then there are the quests I did not complete, such as taking on the DA; such as not getting into a very particular PhD program that I wanted to get into. In the Nightsister paradigm, this is alchemical, where one takes one element and transforms it into another – I.e., the elements you took ownership of when you became a Knight, transformed tangibly into something real. In the fiction this is referred to as creating The Waters of Life from the harvested body parts of the Sleeper. It is a Rite of Passage; although the Order can confer Knighthood upon you, an actual quest that one either fails at or succeeds in must be undertaken in order for one to understand what it is to be a Sith Knight.
There will many quests in one’s lifetime, and many academies and Orders do not question what lies beyond the first phase of proving yourself unnatural, or undertaking many quests. The question of how one embodies the wilderness to the point where one forgets they are wild is the next step. You learn how to be a Sith by Awakening; you go out as a Knight and demand action and alter the world to your liking; and then gradually this becomes so normal that you forget you are doing it. It becomes as breathing.
(07-12-16)
~Luciana
Yet the birds and the wolves and the creatures of the wild do not apologize for being what they are, and thus this idea that one can simply “be” and the world will rearrange itself accordingly is also inherently natural. There are two phases in the Sith development – first the angry, rebellious determination, the need to communicate to others that you are not like them and that you will not conform; second the quiet act of simply being yourself in such a way that others realize they cannot force you to conform, and you forget that this is now your hard-earned truth. I refer to this second phase as the return to the wilderness, where one is able to forget that one is a human and supposed to live by all the human rules, because all the other humans are accommodating the rules you have decided exist; It is difficult to achieve and requires maintenance, and often one slips back into the first phase in order to maintain, until “embodiment” can be achieved.
When one embodies the wild, it no longer requires maintenance.
This is what the Sith progression and advancement is; because it is inherently unnatural to the human, it must be taught to the human. That is the process of Awakening, ideally achieved in becoming a Sith Knight. The Sith Knight is not the perfect embodiment of the Sith Path; rather, the Knight is one who has progressed from a state of apology over who he or she is, and agreed to go into the world on their Knightly “quest” with full ownership of who they are and what they take with them. This is also present in the Nightsister paradigm, “Slaying the Sleeper,” the first trial.
What is the Knightly quest? I wholly subscribe to the paradigm that it ought to be individual, material, measurable, something that one either fails or succeeds at, and always learns from. It could be getting an entrepreneurial business out of the planning phase and actually out into the world. It could be the attainment of a PhD. It is a piece of work that captures in some way the spirit of the Sith Knight. For my own self, finishing university with double honors and an invitation to an extraordinarily prestigious academic society was one such quest; becoming a published author was another; – and then there are the quests I did not complete, such as taking on the DA; such as not getting into a very particular PhD program that I wanted to get into. In the Nightsister paradigm, this is alchemical, where one takes one element and transforms it into another – I.e., the elements you took ownership of when you became a Knight, transformed tangibly into something real. In the fiction this is referred to as creating The Waters of Life from the harvested body parts of the Sleeper. It is a Rite of Passage; although the Order can confer Knighthood upon you, an actual quest that one either fails at or succeeds in must be undertaken in order for one to understand what it is to be a Sith Knight.
There will many quests in one’s lifetime, and many academies and Orders do not question what lies beyond the first phase of proving yourself unnatural, or undertaking many quests. The question of how one embodies the wilderness to the point where one forgets they are wild is the next step. You learn how to be a Sith by Awakening; you go out as a Knight and demand action and alter the world to your liking; and then gradually this becomes so normal that you forget you are doing it. It becomes as breathing.
(07-12-16)
~Luciana
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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13 Oct 2018 03:56 #327881
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I don't know most the Sith organizations. If someone has as list of the reasonably active ones that have been around a while feel free to post it as a reference.
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13 Oct 2018 18:42 #327897
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Thanks john!
The current ones are
Order of the Sith
Force Academy: Dark Aspect
And New Sith Order (a newer one that is semi-active)
The current ones are
Order of the Sith
Force Academy: Dark Aspect
And New Sith Order (a newer one that is semi-active)
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17 Aug 2019 17:03 #341374
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This is a hard one To answer ,your question there is no real site. Real sith hide in the Shadows. I mean there is order of the sith forum and the books from sith academy.
But still order of the sith forum seems to be people doing dark magic and telling each other how dark they are. Sith academy books are average and well you have to pay and they have a pact with the devil book which is certainly not sith.
Most who claim there sith will say they do dark magic ( which maybe from some codex or other source) who are just copying from what they have seen. Sith is a state of mind and what you do in that state. Much like Jedi there is a code of honour.
I hope this helps
But still order of the sith forum seems to be people doing dark magic and telling each other how dark they are. Sith academy books are average and well you have to pay and they have a pact with the devil book which is certainly not sith.
Most who claim there sith will say they do dark magic ( which maybe from some codex or other source) who are just copying from what they have seen. Sith is a state of mind and what you do in that state. Much like Jedi there is a code of honour.
I hope this helps
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17 Aug 2019 18:14 #341380
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There are real sites and no our focus is not "dark magick" whatever that is. The site you describe is more a role play site than anything. If you have question I can try and answer them.
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Lenny C wrote: This is a hard one To answer ,your question there is no real site. Real sith hide in the Shadows. I mean there is order of the sith forum and the books from sith academy.
But still order of the sith forum seems to be people doing dark magic and telling each other how dark they are. Sith academy books are average and well you have to pay and they have a pact with the devil book which is certainly not sith.
Most who claim there sith will say they do dark magic ( which maybe from some codex or other source) who are just copying from what they have seen. Sith is a state of mind and what you do in that state. Much like Jedi there is a code of honour.
I hope this helps
There are real sites and no our focus is not "dark magick" whatever that is. The site you describe is more a role play site than anything. If you have question I can try and answer them.
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17 Aug 2019 18:15 #341381
by Kohadre
The vast majority of sith ideology is based on the foundation of self improvement / success. Any self-help or motivational book could be considered "sith" oriented, because its focused on your goals instead of the goals of your community.
I would personally recommend reading into "The success principal's" by Jack Canfield, and "Speak like Churchill; Stand like Lincoln".
So long and thanks for all the fish
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rugadd wrote: So....
I am not going to pretend that I am looking for a teacher, but, I have seen many respect worthy Sith out there.
Is there a Sith centric area here to learn about that particular perspective towards the path? If not, where?
The vast majority of sith ideology is based on the foundation of self improvement / success. Any self-help or motivational book could be considered "sith" oriented, because its focused on your goals instead of the goals of your community.
I would personally recommend reading into "The success principal's" by Jack Canfield, and "Speak like Churchill; Stand like Lincoln".
So long and thanks for all the fish
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17 Aug 2019 18:26 #341385
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THIS! THIS right here is what is wrong with current perception of Sith Realism! It’s why I’ve stayed away from calling myself as one for the most part. That is likely to change though, since I tore of this crap.
It’s not just “self help”, “personal improvement”, or “personal success”. There are plenty of self-proclaimed Sith who would try to convince you of such of course but that’s not at all what it is.
If it was, why call it Sith? It’s not. Period.
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Kohadre wrote: The vast majority of sith ideology is based on the foundation of self improvement / success. Any self-help or motivational book could be considered "sith" oriented, because its focused on your goals instead of the goals of your community.
I would personally recommend reading into "The success principal's" by Jack Canfield, and "Speak like Churchill; Stand like Lincoln".
THIS! THIS right here is what is wrong with current perception of Sith Realism! It’s why I’ve stayed away from calling myself as one for the most part. That is likely to change though, since I tore of this crap.
It’s not just “self help”, “personal improvement”, or “personal success”. There are plenty of self-proclaimed Sith who would try to convince you of such of course but that’s not at all what it is.
If it was, why call it Sith? It’s not. Period.
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17 Aug 2019 18:59 #341386
by Manu
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk the other day about the statistical differences between men and women, and one of them is the tendency for men to focus on excellence at the expense of other things, while women focus on wholeness (not excellence, but sufficiency across several fronts).
In other words, the female tendency is striving towards “balance” and general wellness, while the male tendency is to go all in on one front (example, excelling at a career while sacrificing social life, family or health).
This is of course a general trend, and not prescriptive of male/female gender.
The point is, when I talk to most Jedi, I do see this “wholeness” idea quite often (e.g. don’t over stress, money is not everything, family first). The idea of balance is well cemented in Jedi philosophy as a route to overall happiness and satisfaction.
Sith, on the other hand, seem to be more satisfied by completely excelling in some area (the area is defined by wherever their passion lies), while sacrificing all others in the process (to the extent this is possible/sustainable). They will use power phrases (you don’t want it bad enough, get it done, be relentless, give me solutions not excuses).
I would say Sith are focused on passion, and to “letting it kill them”, so to speak, as the process of destruction unveils the “core”. They apply this same process to their interactions, which is why they can come off as being aggressive... the aggression is only instrumental in their approach towards unveiling passion.
In other words, the female tendency is striving towards “balance” and general wellness, while the male tendency is to go all in on one front (example, excelling at a career while sacrificing social life, family or health).
This is of course a general trend, and not prescriptive of male/female gender.
The point is, when I talk to most Jedi, I do see this “wholeness” idea quite often (e.g. don’t over stress, money is not everything, family first). The idea of balance is well cemented in Jedi philosophy as a route to overall happiness and satisfaction.
Sith, on the other hand, seem to be more satisfied by completely excelling in some area (the area is defined by wherever their passion lies), while sacrificing all others in the process (to the extent this is possible/sustainable). They will use power phrases (you don’t want it bad enough, get it done, be relentless, give me solutions not excuses).
I would say Sith are focused on passion, and to “letting it kill them”, so to speak, as the process of destruction unveils the “core”. They apply this same process to their interactions, which is why they can come off as being aggressive... the aggression is only instrumental in their approach towards unveiling passion.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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17 Aug 2019 19:43 #341387
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I have no idea what relevance gender has here or the author you mentioned... but I really should not be surprised you mentioned him yet again. However, my annoyance with you aside, you at least (after going on about unrelated matters) touched on... something. However, it’s not exactly an ideally explained... something.
The trouble I see here is that you have neglected the fact Sith have their own balance. They don’t throw EVERYTHING else away to get what they want, nor become masters of only a single thing. While passion drives them, they aren’t one dimensional creatures. Neither are they all interested in self improvement for its own sake and if they were, it would not likely match how Jedi see self improvement.
There are different disciplines and different desires among Sith. Some desire knowledge above all things, and will master what is needed to achieve this. Others want dominion. Some desire fame, others desire physical power and skill. Some want metaphysical power. Again, they are a varied lot.
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Manu wrote: I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk the other day about the statistical differences between men and women, and one of them is the tendency for men to focus on excellence at the expense of other things, while women focus on wholeness (not excellence, but sufficiency across several fronts).
In other words, the female tendency is striving towards “balance” and general wellness, while the male tendency is to go all in on one front (example, excelling at a career while sacrificing social life, family or health).
This is of course a general trend, and not prescriptive of male/female gender.
The point is, when I talk to most Jedi, I do see this “wholeness” idea quite often (e.g. don’t over stress, money is not everything, family first). The idea of balance is well cemented in Jedi philosophy as a route to overall happiness and satisfaction.
Sith, on the other hand, seem to be more satisfied by completely excelling in some area (the area is defined by wherever their passion lies), while sacrificing all others in the process (to the extent this is possible/sustainable). They will use power phrases (you don’t want it bad enough, get it done, be relentless, give me solutions not excuses).
I would say Sith are focused on passion, and to “letting it kill them”, so to speak, as the process of destruction unveils the “core”. They apply this same process to their interactions, which is why they can come off as being aggressive... the aggression is only instrumental in their approach towards unveiling passion.
I have no idea what relevance gender has here or the author you mentioned... but I really should not be surprised you mentioned him yet again. However, my annoyance with you aside, you at least (after going on about unrelated matters) touched on... something. However, it’s not exactly an ideally explained... something.
The trouble I see here is that you have neglected the fact Sith have their own balance. They don’t throw EVERYTHING else away to get what they want, nor become masters of only a single thing. While passion drives them, they aren’t one dimensional creatures. Neither are they all interested in self improvement for its own sake and if they were, it would not likely match how Jedi see self improvement.
There are different disciplines and different desires among Sith. Some desire knowledge above all things, and will master what is needed to achieve this. Others want dominion. Some desire fame, others desire physical power and skill. Some want metaphysical power. Again, they are a varied lot.
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17 Aug 2019 19:48 #341389
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Phoenix is correct. The sith path does not put a priority on either self improvement nor the pursuit of passion at the expense of everything else.
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17 Aug 2019 19:54 #341390
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I’m sitting here, trying to figure out where this weird idea Manu wrote out originated from. Even in fiction, there are plenty of examples of Sith who have balance. How else could they rule the Empire? Honestly... Even Darth Bane!
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VixensVengeance wrote: Phoenix is correct. The sith path does not put a priority on either self improvement nor the pursuit of passion at the expense of everything else.
I’m sitting here, trying to figure out where this weird idea Manu wrote out originated from. Even in fiction, there are plenty of examples of Sith who have balance. How else could they rule the Empire? Honestly... Even Darth Bane!
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17 Aug 2019 19:54 #341391
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I agree too. There are many paths one could take within sith teachings.there are many shall I say categories for sith from the start of a dark mindset to full blown sith lord.
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17 Aug 2019 19:56 #341392
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Simple and correct... and I like simple.
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Lenny C wrote: I agree too. There are many paths one could take within sith teachings.there are many shall I say categories for sith from the start of a dark mindset to full blown sith lord.
Simple and correct... and I like simple.
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