Sith Teachings

This is a hard one To answer ,your question there is no real site. Real sith hide in the Shadows. I mean there is order of the sith forum and the books from sith academy.
But still order of the sith forum seems to be people doing dark magic and telling each other how dark they are. Sith academy books are average and well you have to pay and they have a pact with the devil book which is certainly not sith.
Most who claim there sith will say they do dark magic ( which maybe from some codex or other source) who are just copying from what they have seen. Sith is a state of mind and what you do in that state. Much like Jedi there is a code of honour.
I hope this helps

Lenny C wrote: This is a hard one To answer ,your question there is no real site. Real sith hide in the Shadows. I mean there is order of the sith forum and the books from sith academy.
But still order of the sith forum seems to be people doing dark magic and telling each other how dark they are. Sith academy books are average and well you have to pay and they have a pact with the devil book which is certainly not sith.
Most who claim there sith will say they do dark magic ( which maybe from some codex or other source) who are just copying from what they have seen. Sith is a state of mind and what you do in that state. Much like Jedi there is a code of honour.
I hope this helps

There are real sites and no our focus is not "dark magick" whatever that is. The site you describe is more a role play site than anything. If you have question I can try and answer them.

rugadd wrote: So....


I am not going to pretend that I am looking for a teacher, but, I have seen many respect worthy Sith out there.
Is there a Sith centric area here to learn about that particular perspective towards the path? If not, where?

The vast majority of sith ideology is based on the foundation of self improvement / success. Any self-help or motivational book could be considered "sith" oriented, because its focused on your goals instead of the goals of your community.

I would personally recommend reading into "The success principal's" by Jack Canfield, and "Speak like Churchill; Stand like Lincoln".

Kohadre wrote: The vast majority of sith ideology is based on the foundation of self improvement / success. Any self-help or motivational book could be considered "sith" oriented, because its focused on your goals instead of the goals of your community.

I would personally recommend reading into "The success principal's" by Jack Canfield, and "Speak like Churchill; Stand like Lincoln".

THIS! THIS right here is what is wrong with current perception of Sith Realism! It’s why I’ve stayed away from calling myself as one for the most part. That is likely to change though, since I tore of this crap.

It’s not just “self help”, “personal improvement”, or “personal success”. There are plenty of self-proclaimed Sith who would try to convince you of such of course but that’s not at all what it is.

If it was, why call it Sith? It’s not. Period.

I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk the other day about the statistical differences between men and women, and one of them is the tendency for men to focus on excellence at the expense of other things, while women focus on wholeness (not excellence, but sufficiency across several fronts).

In other words, the female tendency is striving towards “balance” and general wellness, while the male tendency is to go all in on one front (example, excelling at a career while sacrificing social life, family or health).

This is of course a general trend, and not prescriptive of male/female gender.

The point is, when I talk to most Jedi, I do see this “wholeness” idea quite often (e.g. don’t over stress, money is not everything, family first). The idea of balance is well cemented in Jedi philosophy as a route to overall happiness and satisfaction.

Sith, on the other hand, seem to be more satisfied by completely excelling in some area (the area is defined by wherever their passion lies), while sacrificing all others in the process (to the extent this is possible/sustainable). They will use power phrases (you don’t want it bad enough, get it done, be relentless, give me solutions not excuses).

I would say Sith are focused on passion, and to “letting it kill them”, so to speak, as the process of destruction unveils the “core”. They apply this same process to their interactions, which is why they can come off as being aggressive... the aggression is only instrumental in their approach towards unveiling passion.

Manu wrote: I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk the other day about the statistical differences between men and women, and one of them is the tendency for men to focus on excellence at the expense of other things, while women focus on wholeness (not excellence, but sufficiency across several fronts).

In other words, the female tendency is striving towards “balance” and general wellness, while the male tendency is to go all in on one front (example, excelling at a career while sacrificing social life, family or health).

This is of course a general trend, and not prescriptive of male/female gender.

The point is, when I talk to most Jedi, I do see this “wholeness” idea quite often (e.g. don’t over stress, money is not everything, family first). The idea of balance is well cemented in Jedi philosophy as a route to overall happiness and satisfaction.

Sith, on the other hand, seem to be more satisfied by completely excelling in some area (the area is defined by wherever their passion lies), while sacrificing all others in the process (to the extent this is possible/sustainable). They will use power phrases (you don’t want it bad enough, get it done, be relentless, give me solutions not excuses).

I would say Sith are focused on passion, and to “letting it kill them”, so to speak, as the process of destruction unveils the “core”. They apply this same process to their interactions, which is why they can come off as being aggressive... the aggression is only instrumental in their approach towards unveiling passion.

I have no idea what relevance gender has here or the author you mentioned... but I really should not be surprised you mentioned him yet again. However, my annoyance with you aside, you at least (after going on about unrelated matters) touched on... something. However, it’s not exactly an ideally explained... something.

The trouble I see here is that you have neglected the fact Sith have their own balance. They don’t throw EVERYTHING else away to get what they want, nor become masters of only a single thing. While passion drives them, they aren’t one dimensional creatures. Neither are they all interested in self improvement for its own sake and if they were, it would not likely match how Jedi see self improvement.

There are different disciplines and different desires among Sith. Some desire knowledge above all things, and will master what is needed to achieve this. Others want dominion. Some desire fame, others desire physical power and skill. Some want metaphysical power. Again, they are a varied lot.

Phoenix is correct. The sith path does not put a priority on either self improvement nor the pursuit of passion at the expense of everything else.

VixensVengeance wrote: Phoenix is correct. The sith path does not put a priority on either self improvement nor the pursuit of passion at the expense of everything else.

I’m sitting here, trying to figure out where this weird idea Manu wrote out originated from. Even in fiction, there are plenty of examples of Sith who have balance. How else could they rule the Empire? Honestly... Even Darth Bane!

I agree too. There are many paths one could take within sith teachings.there are many shall I say categories for sith from the start of a dark mindset to full blown sith lord.

Lenny C wrote: I agree too. There are many paths one could take within sith teachings.there are many shall I say categories for sith from the start of a dark mindset to full blown sith lord.

Simple and correct... and I like simple.

Phoenix Vidensia wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote: Phoenix is correct. The sith path does not put a priority on either self improvement nor the pursuit of passion at the expense of everything else.

I’m sitting here, trying to figure out where this weird idea Manu wrote out originated from. Even in fiction, there are plenty of examples of Sith who have balance. How else could they rule the Empire? Honestly... Even Darth Bane!

Well, I did state that what is sacrificed is still insofar as it is sustainable, which is a form of balance that is self defined, as opposed to the balance concept Jedi this that tends to be more socially-formulated.

Self-improvement is the same. For Jedi, it appears to be pursued for its own sake (Tyler Durden’s “self improvement is masturbation” comment in Fight Club). For Sith, it is defined as skill building in service of passion.

And I never said you get only one passion.

You know, I'm glad you guys aren't the "Dark Arts" type of Force Practitioners..

What sets you apart from Jedi though? Is it your responsibility to others?.. Do you think you have one? Do you consider yourself in-tune, in-balance, or empowered by "The Force".. Do you consider yourself a user of Darkness or it uses you? What does it all mean to you?

Phoenix Vidensia wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote: Phoenix is correct. The sith path does not put a priority on either self improvement nor the pursuit of passion at the expense of everything else.

I’m sitting here, trying to figure out where this weird idea Manu wrote out originated from. Even in fiction, there are plenty of examples of Sith who have balance. How else could they rule the Empire? Honestly... Even Darth Bane!

I would think Darth Vectivus would be the prime example of a sith lord, who followed the rule of two as well, to not be evil because of his ethics.

A title does not make one good or evil. I imagine there are some good Sith. Much like how there are some evil Christians or Jews because of the fanatical nature or they justify doing evil things in the name of a deity or beliefs. I couldn't care less what people believe or what they call themselves. As long as they harm no one physically, mentally, emotionally or cause destruction, then they are not doing anything wrong. Actions will always speak louder than words.

Uzima Moto wrote: You know, I'm glad you guys aren't the "Dark Arts" type of Force Practitioners..

What sets you apart from Jedi though? Is it your responsibility to others?.. Do you think you have one? Do you consider yourself in-tune, in-balance, or empowered by "The Force".. Do you consider yourself a user of Darkness or it uses you? What does it all mean to you?

I have just over 15 years experience in “dark arts” and I don’t exclude metaphysics from my life and development.

As for service to others, no. I serve myself. Am I whole? Yes. Balanced? Sometimes but it works itself out. Darkness? Eh... I try to restrict my usage of this term. Does it use me? Do I use it? Actually, it’s more like I feed it of myself and it feeds me of itself.

Phoenix Vidensia wrote: I have just over 15 years experience in “dark arts” and I don’t exclude metaphysics from my life and development.

What kind of "dark arts" in metaphysics? I wonder what your definition of dark is sometimes.

As for service to others, no. I serve myself. Am I whole? Yes. Balanced? Sometimes but it works itself out. Darkness? Eh... I try to restrict my usage of this term. Does it use me? Do I use it? Actually, it’s more like I feed it of myself and it feeds me of itself.

Why can't you serve yourself, and serve others? What do you feel service as?

Uzima Moto wrote:

Phoenix Vidensia wrote: I have just over 15 years experience in “dark arts” and I don’t exclude metaphysics from my life and development.

What kind of "dark arts" in metaphysics? I wonder what your definition of dark is sometimes.

As for service to others, no. I serve myself. Am I whole? Yes. Balanced? Sometimes but it works itself out. Darkness? Eh... I try to restrict my usage of this term. Does it use me? Do I use it? Actually, it’s more like I feed it of myself and it feeds me of itself.

Why can't you serve yourself, and serve others? What do you feel service as?

My prior disciplines were in Satanism and Qlippothic magic. I veered far from ceremonial types as I matured and ended up simply doing as I pleased. Some call that chaos magic.

I no longer practice such magic. Now, I am more interested in developing my senses and their range.

As for serving others, I don’t think I need to explain this to you. I do as I please. If it benefits someone else, it does. I don’t go out of my way to though.

I picked this thread, but almost any thread is as good as any other - I wonder if folk would catalogue their achievements, as some kind of measure as to the efficacy of their particular philosophy?

Hmm, Qlippothic magic is pretty dark.. and it's potential for destruction is near limitless if one truly mastered it.. rituals are a hindrance to mastery though..

I don't think anyone goes out of their way to help every single person they need. Then the greater societal work would never get done. A Jedi's life is balance, even in sacrifice. I'm sure you're aware of Chesed's qlippoth. Stretching love so thin that it collapses due to weakness.. that's something a Jedi should avoid. Jedi should seek to empower others, not just fight there battles.. the difference between teaching a man to fish and just giving him one..

Phoenix Vidensia wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: You know, I'm glad you guys aren't the "Dark Arts" type of Force Practitioners..

What sets you apart from Jedi though? Is it your responsibility to others?.. Do you think you have one? Do you consider yourself in-tune, in-balance, or empowered by "The Force".. Do you consider yourself a user of Darkness or it uses you? What does it all mean to you?

I have just over 15 years experience in “dark arts” and I don’t exclude metaphysics from my life and development.

As for service to others, no. I serve myself. Am I whole? Yes. Balanced? Sometimes but it works itself out. Darkness? Eh... I try to restrict my usage of this term. Does it use me? Do I use it? Actually, it’s more like I feed it of myself and it feeds me of itself.

I have practiced Witchcraft for over 13 years myself and have recently discovered chaos magick. I am delving into that now. As for service to me or others, it is not a point of focus. Like you said, if my pursuits benefit others good for them, if not, oh well. I consider myself not in a place of balance but one of equilibrium as I take from the dark it takes from me. Sometimes that is a place where more is taken from me that to me and other times it is not. I dont use the force however and it has no will it imposes on me. Instead I take from it as a source of power, shaping it to impose my will in the world. However any energy I take must eventually be returned. That is part of the sacrifice.

VixensVengeance wrote:

Phoenix Vidensia wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: You know, I'm glad you guys aren't the "Dark Arts" type of Force Practitioners..

What sets you apart from Jedi though? Is it your responsibility to others?.. Do you think you have one? Do you consider yourself in-tune, in-balance, or empowered by "The Force".. Do you consider yourself a user of Darkness or it uses you? What does it all mean to you?

I have just over 15 years experience in “dark arts” and I don’t exclude metaphysics from my life and development.

As for service to others, no. I serve myself. Am I whole? Yes. Balanced? Sometimes but it works itself out. Darkness? Eh... I try to restrict my usage of this term. Does it use me? Do I use it? Actually, it’s more like I feed it of myself and it feeds me of itself.

I have practiced Witchcraft for over 13 years myself and have recently discovered chaos magick. I am delving into that now. As for service to me or others, it is not a point of focus. Like you said, if my pursuits benefit others good for them, if not, oh well. I consider myself not in a place of balance but one of equilibrium as I take from the dark it takes from me. Sometimes that is a place where more is taken from me that to me and other times it is not. I dont use the force however and it has no will it imposes on me. Instead I take from it as a source of power, shaping it to impose my will in the world. However any energy I take must eventually be returned. That is part of the sacrifice.

You realize it. Don't dwell on it.