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[Warning Possible Spoilers] Force Awakens discussion (Post viewing) (Warning Spoilers)
23 Dec 2015 16:13 #215510
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Episode VIII is supposed to be released in May of 2017. Rogue One is supposed to come out in December 2016. I guess it's all in how you count the extra movies.
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02 Jan 2016 01:22 #218070
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I really enjoyed TFA...I think it was brilliantly directed with spectacular visuals, fantastic acting, and good pacing. Kylo Ren was an intimidating villain who has a VERY interesting backstory and Supreme Leader Snoke is interesting from what we saw of him thus far. Overall, TFA hit all the right notes and was an amazing experience! :laugh:
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11 Jan 2016 07:29 #220816
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My thoughts on the film:
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The score and visuals are beautiful. Everything looks real, everything feels like part of a galaxy far, far away. The music is just as powerful as that of the original trilogy, though it relies on cues from the scores of the previous films. I really did enjoy watching this one. With that being said, I have many complaints. The score is not the only derivative aspect of TFA; in terms of storyline, locations, and characters, I feel like I've been on this ride before. Starting on a desert planet like A New Hope and then moving to a snowy planet like in Empire, the scene between Han and Kylo Ren echoing Luke's encounter with Vader, Snoke being the "new sith emperor", a third death star (which actually killed stars; not the smartest plan), Kylo Ren having the same moody personality as Annie in the prequels, a charming pilot, a guy who "didn't sign up for this!" (Poe + Finn = Han), and a strong female lead (Rey = Luke + Leia), and so on. Luke's scene didn't feel quite satisfying as a way to end the film. The pacing was strange, like it couldn't decide between being A New Hope and the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith.
With that being said, as it stands on its own, TFA is an amazing film. Without comparison to the previous films, it is solid, with very few flaws or horrible ideas. When compared to the prequel films, this one blows them out of the water. On its own, 9/10. As part of the series, 7/10. And, of course, for EU fans, even less as I've heard many of the other parts of the film were borrowing a lot of ideas from the old EU/legends canon.
With that being said, as it stands on its own, TFA is an amazing film. Without comparison to the previous films, it is solid, with very few flaws or horrible ideas. When compared to the prequel films, this one blows them out of the water. On its own, 9/10. As part of the series, 7/10. And, of course, for EU fans, even less as I've heard many of the other parts of the film were borrowing a lot of ideas from the old EU/legends canon.
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11 Jan 2016 08:01 #220819
by Adder
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Finally got around to putting down my first impressions;
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I love Rey is a 'scavenger', and its clear she had lots of experience in wielding a staff... so her skills with a saber are understandable IMO, plus of course Ren wanted her alive. Plus also of course, being stronger in the Force then him might bring its own advantages to her.
Finn was maintenance before getting put into a stormtrooper division for that his first mission - which was not really expecting much in the way of organized resistance, as they landed right at the objective. They didn't seemingly have sentry patrols around the ship either - else they would have intercepted the escaping Tie fighter, or at least followed it down to its crash site. So it makes sense Finn had some marksmenship skills, but I don't think they would have neglected training sufficient to water down any remaining elements of humanity so his reaction to murder seems out of place for a storm trooper - unless that was not normal for the 1st Order and an example of Kylo's over reach. Perhap's Finn had been in maintenance too long and forget that type of training and instead idolized the stormtroper role in a way which was heroic instead of evil - hence his confrontation with his morals when confronted with the truth of the 1st Order.
Importantly, that moral decision seemed to be identified by Kylo as 'light', seemingly referencing the Force. Makes me think the 1st Order deliberately tries to be dark, or at least not light... in those terms.
Poe was clearly introduced in the opening scrawl. Though it is a bit unrealistic to engage multiple air targets and conduct precision ground attack at the same time over and over - it could point to some sort of eye tracking targeting system.... which makes sense, as the brain is fast enough, but not the hands and manual machine interface beyond a trigger pull and a button press on the HOTAS controls.
Luke looked legit, sitting on a windswept rocky outcrop, clinging to the edge of ending it all and deep in regret as the best cover from being felt/found in the Force by the Sith. He seemed to come alive in spirit when he saw his lightsaber and realized the moment had come to stop hiding, and sadness at Rey's difficult journey ahead.
So KyloRen; clearly a child of opportunity, still viewing the world in the context of his upbringing seeing things as given not earned. He seems to want power but on the condition it is more then anyone else. He knows what is capable with the Force and wants it delivered to him. His weakness is his own creation. A lot of potential in this one to transform into an adult.
I loved the struggle Han had to face, being asked to turn Kylo... and his courage in facing Kylo. Leia looked seated in the Force, though why she was not seemingly trained is beyond me at the moment.
I liked how this movie focused on 'running away' from problems, not so much it being a bad thing, but that its not the only option. People need to be true to themselves before they can be truely themselves, and running away from something is often the same thing as running back to the past (or a variation of it). You've been down that road before Neo...
So was this movie running back to its past!? Clearly its heavily modeled around A New Hope, but I think there is more to it, and it cannot be a repeat because A New Hope didn't exist when A New Hope came out. But yea, again, if you can capture and store the power of a Sun inside a planet, why have critical system on the surface where its vulnerable - huh?
Finn was maintenance before getting put into a stormtrooper division for that his first mission - which was not really expecting much in the way of organized resistance, as they landed right at the objective. They didn't seemingly have sentry patrols around the ship either - else they would have intercepted the escaping Tie fighter, or at least followed it down to its crash site. So it makes sense Finn had some marksmenship skills, but I don't think they would have neglected training sufficient to water down any remaining elements of humanity so his reaction to murder seems out of place for a storm trooper - unless that was not normal for the 1st Order and an example of Kylo's over reach. Perhap's Finn had been in maintenance too long and forget that type of training and instead idolized the stormtroper role in a way which was heroic instead of evil - hence his confrontation with his morals when confronted with the truth of the 1st Order.
Importantly, that moral decision seemed to be identified by Kylo as 'light', seemingly referencing the Force. Makes me think the 1st Order deliberately tries to be dark, or at least not light... in those terms.
Poe was clearly introduced in the opening scrawl. Though it is a bit unrealistic to engage multiple air targets and conduct precision ground attack at the same time over and over - it could point to some sort of eye tracking targeting system.... which makes sense, as the brain is fast enough, but not the hands and manual machine interface beyond a trigger pull and a button press on the HOTAS controls.
Luke looked legit, sitting on a windswept rocky outcrop, clinging to the edge of ending it all and deep in regret as the best cover from being felt/found in the Force by the Sith. He seemed to come alive in spirit when he saw his lightsaber and realized the moment had come to stop hiding, and sadness at Rey's difficult journey ahead.
So KyloRen; clearly a child of opportunity, still viewing the world in the context of his upbringing seeing things as given not earned. He seems to want power but on the condition it is more then anyone else. He knows what is capable with the Force and wants it delivered to him. His weakness is his own creation. A lot of potential in this one to transform into an adult.
I loved the struggle Han had to face, being asked to turn Kylo... and his courage in facing Kylo. Leia looked seated in the Force, though why she was not seemingly trained is beyond me at the moment.
I liked how this movie focused on 'running away' from problems, not so much it being a bad thing, but that its not the only option. People need to be true to themselves before they can be truely themselves, and running away from something is often the same thing as running back to the past (or a variation of it). You've been down that road before Neo...
So was this movie running back to its past!? Clearly its heavily modeled around A New Hope, but I think there is more to it, and it cannot be a repeat because A New Hope didn't exist when A New Hope came out. But yea, again, if you can capture and store the power of a Sun inside a planet, why have critical system on the surface where its vulnerable - huh?
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11 Jan 2016 13:12 #220827
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I went back and watched the movie yesterday with a much more critical eye. I have actually changed my own thoughts on quite a bit of the movie. it was fun. I might even go see it one more time, just because.
"O Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence"
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13 Jan 2016 14:55 #221323
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
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according to the script, finn was the leader of his fire team...his evaluations indicated that he was a "superior marksman, tactician, and skillfull leader", it also indicated "a dangerous level of empathy" because he had a squad member that kept making mistakes and finn kept covering for those mistakes...finn was also the only member of his fire team without a nickname...the one that was mistake prone was called "slips", then there was one called "9's", i forget the third member's nickname...according to the script this is why finn was so willing to accept the name poe gave him...he wanted to belong, as a stormtrooper captain phasma confronted him about feeling like an outsider (according to the companion comic)...also according to the original script, captain phasma IS the lilttle girl from the ewoks movies....
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There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
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15 Jan 2016 16:23 #221868
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So the other day I saw something that I felt was worth sharing. It's about how people are freaking out that Rey was able to beat Kylo Ren. I can't find the image but it said:
Anakin: Only human to win a pod race (and at age 8 no less) because of the Force. No one bats an eye.
Luke: First time piloting anything in outer space, destroys the Death Star on the first shot (making a shot that the computers couldn't) because of the Force. Not difficult to accept at all.
Rey: Has been shown capable of fighting rather well. Only barely beats an emotionally unstable, poorly trained villain who had just taken a shot to the mid section from a weapon that had been repeatedly shown throughout the movie to be highly powerful and had fought someone else first. Fans think it's implausible.
Just saying.
Anakin: Only human to win a pod race (and at age 8 no less) because of the Force. No one bats an eye.
Luke: First time piloting anything in outer space, destroys the Death Star on the first shot (making a shot that the computers couldn't) because of the Force. Not difficult to accept at all.
Rey: Has been shown capable of fighting rather well. Only barely beats an emotionally unstable, poorly trained villain who had just taken a shot to the mid section from a weapon that had been repeatedly shown throughout the movie to be highly powerful and had fought someone else first. Fans think it's implausible.
Just saying.
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15 Jan 2016 21:44 #221934
by Adder
:lol:
Yea but, he'd been training to go the academy, so its easy to imagine he was already fully up on knowledge and some flight experience.
But there is another way to look at it. Perhaps Luke 'using the Force' distracted Vader enough to let the Falcon slip so close undetected. I dunno where flight control (radar/visual detection) was, maybe they'd hit the detection arrays in that sector already, and obviously his wingmen were focusing too much on perfect formation flying LOL.
So perhaps it was less about making the perfect shot, but more about getting rid of Vader who was going to nudge the weapon inflight anyway. Luke had already said he could make the shot easily, so they just needed to get him on target without interruption. Anyway that is another way to look at it maybe, but I'd have to watch it again to see if that idea really flies!!
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Goken wrote: Luke: First time piloting anything in outer space, destroys the Death Star on the first shot (making a shot that the computers couldn't) because of the Force. Not difficult to accept at all.
:lol:
Yea but, he'd been training to go the academy, so its easy to imagine he was already fully up on knowledge and some flight experience.
But there is another way to look at it. Perhaps Luke 'using the Force' distracted Vader enough to let the Falcon slip so close undetected. I dunno where flight control (radar/visual detection) was, maybe they'd hit the detection arrays in that sector already, and obviously his wingmen were focusing too much on perfect formation flying LOL.
So perhaps it was less about making the perfect shot, but more about getting rid of Vader who was going to nudge the weapon inflight anyway. Luke had already said he could make the shot easily, so they just needed to get him on target without interruption. Anyway that is another way to look at it maybe, but I'd have to watch it again to see if that idea really flies!!
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15 Jan 2016 21:56 - 15 Jan 2016 21:57 #221935
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Flying in space would have been a piece of cake next to negotiating canyons on Tatooine (remember the pod race ?) which also likely would have given him the edge in that trench of the Death Star.
Whereas getting Vader off of him was definitely a plus, I feel that the thing that would have kept him from making that shot was the computer itself ... Like when some new gadget is supposed to make something one has been doing the "hard way" for years a lot easier, but it doesn't ; it just makes a mess ? Well, he probably didn't have all that gadgetry to "bull's-eye womp rats" back home. It was actually a lot more dependable (once he got beyond the notion that all his friends were going to be vaporised if he missed) to just shut off the computer and shoot like he knew how to do. 'Using the Force' was, once again, just taking a breath, relaxing and letting the body's own natural knowledge work in the place of "trying".
But then, what the hell would I know ?
Whereas getting Vader off of him was definitely a plus, I feel that the thing that would have kept him from making that shot was the computer itself ... Like when some new gadget is supposed to make something one has been doing the "hard way" for years a lot easier, but it doesn't ; it just makes a mess ? Well, he probably didn't have all that gadgetry to "bull's-eye womp rats" back home. It was actually a lot more dependable (once he got beyond the notion that all his friends were going to be vaporised if he missed) to just shut off the computer and shoot like he knew how to do. 'Using the Force' was, once again, just taking a breath, relaxing and letting the body's own natural knowledge work in the place of "trying".
But then, what the hell would I know ?
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