[Warning Possible Spoilers] Force Awakens discussion (Post viewing) (Warning Spoilers)
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Jedi_Roz wrote: Oh! One more thing! I want to know how the battery on a saber holds for thirty years?! Mine holds for about a week.....lol I want to learn that technology!
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i feel like any civilization who has developed Faster Than Light travel has also upped their battery game to like, fusion level.
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Desolous wrote:
Jedi_Roz wrote: Oh! One more thing! I want to know how the battery on a saber holds for thirty years?! Mine holds for about a week.....lol I want to learn that technology!
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i feel like any civilization who has developed Faster Than Light travel has also upped their battery game to like, fusion level.
I'm pretty sure there used to be a commercial for either Duracel or Energizer where during the fight in Episode 5 Vader's lightsaber goes out and he has to stop and check the battery.
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Goken wrote:
Desolous wrote:
Jedi_Roz wrote: Oh! One more thing! I want to know how the battery on a saber holds for thirty years?! Mine holds for about a week.....lol I want to learn that technology!
May the Force be with you, Always. Walk in Beauty.
i feel like any civilization who has developed Faster Than Light travel has also upped their battery game to like, fusion level.
I'm pretty sure there used to be a commercial for either Duracel or Energizer where during the fight in Episode 5 Vader's lightsaber goes out and he has to stop and check the battery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxafIhYFOr0
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I will now give this Episode 8.5/10. The movie actually answers a lot of the questions posed here and elsewhere. There are only a couple questions I have, but I am sure the next movies will answer them. sets up the trilogy as well as paying homage to the past really well.
I guess it reflected the fourth movie quite a bit, but that is to be expected with the new characters to set up the trilogy. Why mess with a system that works? I think the next episode is probably going to be the best out of the trilogy, but that is only my prediction.
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Also, yeah, it worked before,so let's just keep making the same movie?
That's strange logic.
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Khaos wrote: This won't be a trilogy though.
Also, yeah, it worked before,so let's just keep making the same movie?
That's strange logic.
Oh, from what I read it is. Are you suggesting there will be more than 3?
It's not the same movie though. It is the same structure/formula, but not the same movie, unless my definition of the word same if different than yours.
I felt they used the same formula to introduce the new characters while keeping the previous movies in view. THis was done to set up the next movies. The only thing I can think of at the moment would be to change Starkiller base and have a different tactic. However, that may have been too much for the movie, considering thye skipped quite a few years between episode 6 and 7 and needs to introduce the new characters.
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As it is, they plan to release a new one every year, so in that, I would hope they would do away with the sense of a three part story, if only because I am hoping the next one doesnt follow Empire, because at that point I see little value in this story as a place to draw inspiration from in any further context.
As I already have 4,5,6.
Aside from that, Star Wars movies does poorly with there villains, the EU at least gave them three dimensions.
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Proven market record (aka "If it ain't broke")
They've said every time they've spoken about it that they will
Limited audience attention span
Difficulties of continuing to hire increasingly famous/in demand actors
Law of diminishing returns
Anthology films allowing them to continue to make money from the franchise when the "main films" aren't around
Amongst others.. seriously how much more of a big deal has the new movie been because of the gap? It's not like Disney can't continue to make money with other properties in the interim... you think the people in charge of Disney are dumb enough when it comes to money to kill their golden goose, by letting it become ordinary?
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With that being said, as it stands on its own, TFA is an amazing film. Without comparison to the previous films, it is solid, with very few flaws or horrible ideas. When compared to the prequel films, this one blows them out of the water. On its own, 9/10. As part of the series, 7/10. And, of course, for EU fans, even less as I've heard many of the other parts of the film were borrowing a lot of ideas from the old EU/legends canon.
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Finn was maintenance before getting put into a stormtrooper division for that his first mission - which was not really expecting much in the way of organized resistance, as they landed right at the objective. They didn't seemingly have sentry patrols around the ship either - else they would have intercepted the escaping Tie fighter, or at least followed it down to its crash site. So it makes sense Finn had some marksmenship skills, but I don't think they would have neglected training sufficient to water down any remaining elements of humanity so his reaction to murder seems out of place for a storm trooper - unless that was not normal for the 1st Order and an example of Kylo's over reach. Perhap's Finn had been in maintenance too long and forget that type of training and instead idolized the stormtroper role in a way which was heroic instead of evil - hence his confrontation with his morals when confronted with the truth of the 1st Order.
Importantly, that moral decision seemed to be identified by Kylo as 'light', seemingly referencing the Force. Makes me think the 1st Order deliberately tries to be dark, or at least not light... in those terms.
Poe was clearly introduced in the opening scrawl. Though it is a bit unrealistic to engage multiple air targets and conduct precision ground attack at the same time over and over - it could point to some sort of eye tracking targeting system.... which makes sense, as the brain is fast enough, but not the hands and manual machine interface beyond a trigger pull and a button press on the HOTAS controls.
Luke looked legit, sitting on a windswept rocky outcrop, clinging to the edge of ending it all and deep in regret as the best cover from being felt/found in the Force by the Sith. He seemed to come alive in spirit when he saw his lightsaber and realized the moment had come to stop hiding, and sadness at Rey's difficult journey ahead.
So KyloRen; clearly a child of opportunity, still viewing the world in the context of his upbringing seeing things as given not earned. He seems to want power but on the condition it is more then anyone else. He knows what is capable with the Force and wants it delivered to him. His weakness is his own creation. A lot of potential in this one to transform into an adult.
I loved the struggle Han had to face, being asked to turn Kylo... and his courage in facing Kylo. Leia looked seated in the Force, though why she was not seemingly trained is beyond me at the moment.
I liked how this movie focused on 'running away' from problems, not so much it being a bad thing, but that its not the only option. People need to be true to themselves before they can be truely themselves, and running away from something is often the same thing as running back to the past (or a variation of it). You've been down that road before Neo...
So was this movie running back to its past!? Clearly its heavily modeled around A New Hope, but I think there is more to it, and it cannot be a repeat because A New Hope didn't exist when A New Hope came out. But yea, again, if you can capture and store the power of a Sun inside a planet, why have critical system on the surface where its vulnerable - huh?
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Anakin: Only human to win a pod race (and at age 8 no less) because of the Force. No one bats an eye.
Luke: First time piloting anything in outer space, destroys the Death Star on the first shot (making a shot that the computers couldn't) because of the Force. Not difficult to accept at all.
Rey: Has been shown capable of fighting rather well. Only barely beats an emotionally unstable, poorly trained villain who had just taken a shot to the mid section from a weapon that had been repeatedly shown throughout the movie to be highly powerful and had fought someone else first. Fans think it's implausible.
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Goken wrote: Luke: First time piloting anything in outer space, destroys the Death Star on the first shot (making a shot that the computers couldn't) because of the Force. Not difficult to accept at all.
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Yea but, he'd been training to go the academy, so its easy to imagine he was already fully up on knowledge and some flight experience.
But there is another way to look at it. Perhaps Luke 'using the Force' distracted Vader enough to let the Falcon slip so close undetected. I dunno where flight control (radar/visual detection) was, maybe they'd hit the detection arrays in that sector already, and obviously his wingmen were focusing too much on perfect formation flying LOL.
So perhaps it was less about making the perfect shot, but more about getting rid of Vader who was going to nudge the weapon inflight anyway. Luke had already said he could make the shot easily, so they just needed to get him on target without interruption. Anyway that is another way to look at it maybe, but I'd have to watch it again to see if that idea really flies!!
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Whereas getting Vader off of him was definitely a plus, I feel that the thing that would have kept him from making that shot was the computer itself ... Like when some new gadget is supposed to make something one has been doing the "hard way" for years a lot easier, but it doesn't ; it just makes a mess ? Well, he probably didn't have all that gadgetry to "bull's-eye womp rats" back home. It was actually a lot more dependable (once he got beyond the notion that all his friends were going to be vaporised if he missed) to just shut off the computer and shoot like he knew how to do. 'Using the Force' was, once again, just taking a breath, relaxing and letting the body's own natural knowledge work in the place of "trying".
But then, what the hell would I know ?
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