Making of a Jedi Warrior

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25 Mar 2015 07:01 #185435 by
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Well Im not sure if you saw my two post above your last cause you were posting at the time I was, the videos were interesting but it was mostly stuff I already knew for the most part ( I just kinda skimmed through them for now). I took about 2 or 3 months of tae kwon do at a community college, was a high yellow belt, so I had some basic stances and stuff down. And I took about 3 days of boxing, the only thing I learned from that was twisting your foot as you punch to bring more power, like I learned in Taekwondo, you use a twisting motion of your hips to generate power. In the video where you said hes talking about fighting in crappy situations, he twisted with his foot in the second swing (the right hook) but didnt bring that twisting motion into the second.... nothing against him, and maybe he did it that way on purpose, I just notice stuff like that e.e

Aside from the bit of training Ive had that I mentioned above, I see fight scenes in movies, videos such as youtube, or a manga such as Hajime no Ippo, a boxing manga. The stuff I see in all of these things sticks with me, and when fighting with friends that kinda stuff comes back to me and I just use it. Im not sure if I mentioned it in a earlier post, but my brain is kinda geared to combat it seems, when fighting I can usually pick up on what someones is about to do, given their motions and the scenario, from that I usually know what the open spots are and my brain just remembers these things I know or seen and I just react, using whats good for the situation USUALLY. Im not gonna say Im a good fighter, or I get it right everytime, and I SURELY need alot of training if I want to get better... cause sometimes I know what to do but I cant react fast enough, or Im not in shape enough or something that I cant do what I want.

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25 Mar 2015 07:26 #185445 by OB1Shinobi
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hey if you look at your fist post in this thread, when you said about using a kick to the knife attack - on that same page about three posts above yours there is a video which has two dudes in funky green/blue and black spandex and says "savate combos"

the first like five seconds of that vid offer something related to what you were saying

as far as a response to your other posts - sounds like youre coming from a pretty good place basically

confidence in ones ability is good

knowing ones experience level is good and you acknowledge that you havent had much experience in real serious violence and that is good

keeping that in mind will help you be open to what other with more experience have to say

and having confidence in yourself will result in fee thinking which is also good

as far as the guy in the video performing perfect technique or not - what i will say is that whenever you notice someones technique the two checks are

1 - am i really right in what i am saying - could i be wrong in my understanding?

and

2 - if i am right in my understanding what can i do to make sure i dont make the same mistake as this person?

those are pretty good questions i like to ask myself a lot

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25 Mar 2015 07:35 #185448 by
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Oh and I forgot to say about the french savat video, yes its basically the same thing just to the outside leg... the leg in the rear. A kick or a shove with your foot to the side of his knee that faces you on his back leg. In the scenario with the knife that was his planted leg, where all his force was built, enough force to push that leg farther back, disrupts his balance and pushes that side of his body, the side of his body with the knife, away from you. Plus with enough force you could mess up his knee and he would be unable to continue attempting to hurt you. This also leaves you free to focus on defending against the knife with your arms. Now keep in mind that during all this he could flail his arm a bit when loosing balance and still cut or stab you, or stab you before you manage to kick the leg, but in response to finding a good technique to gaurd against that, that was the best I could come up with.

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25 Mar 2015 09:43 #185476 by Adder
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I tend to see the ideal 'warrior' as some sort of non-state aligned Navy Seal type of character, using technology to insert somewhere, conduct special reconnaissance of some important inappropriateness or calamity, and then assist other more suitable assets to conduct operations. Though they tend to look like Imperial Pilots with the whole drysuits, UBA's and face mask thing!!!

Then I wheel back to the ideology of the mindset to achieve that, and tend to think the US Army SF and USMC MARSOC have a neat approach with the foreign internal defense capability for that particular aspect - perhaps covering the civil engineering, medical and cultural components more.

I guess there is a bridge there between being a subject matter expert and having some real world role in achieving outcomes, in outlandish ideal fantasy land, though hopefully not needing guns, demolitions and fire support
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That said, the hand to hand fighting an improvised weapon training I think is a core component of that bridge between holding the mindset and using the toolkit, for a Jedi 'warrior'.

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26 Mar 2015 16:47 - 26 Mar 2015 17:14 #185723 by OB1Shinobi
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TraptInside wrote: Oh and I forgot to say about the french savat video, yes its basically the same thing just to the outside leg... the leg in the rear. A kick or a shove with your foot to the side of his knee that faces you on his back leg. In the scenario with the knife that was his planted leg, where all his force was built, enough force to push that leg farther back, disrupts his balance and pushes that side of his body, the side of his body with the knife, away from you. Plus with enough force you could mess up his knee and he would be unable to continue attempting to hurt you. This also leaves you free to focus on defending against the knife with your arms. Now keep in mind that during all this he could flail his arm a bit when loosing balance and still cut or stab you, or stab you before you manage to kick the leg, but in response to finding a good technique to gaurd against that, that was the best I could come up with.



i think its reasonable as far as things go - it could work the way youre expecting it to work - i like the idea of attacking the legs against a knife in general if its in a way that can result is instant effect eg sweeps and trips as opposed to thai leg kicks which drugs or physical training can mitigate to a significant degree (significant here being in the context of someone stabbing you while your waiting for the technique to work)

i wanted to hold off on this response until i was able to post some footage of knee stomp type techniques being actually used and also being analyzed by people with real life experience using them but im still not able to do that because of computer access

i wanted to express that some of the challenges to be aware of - knee stomping is one of those things similar to eye gouging or throat chopping in that it often falls into the "i'll just" category and NOTHING in the "i'll just" category ever ever works the way we think it will

im not saying that youre doing that here because the way you explain it the expectation/intent/result is consistent with actual body mechanics - thats why i say i think your response in this instance is sound - i just want to be sure to familiarize you with the "i'll just" principle and it has different manifestations in different people

one is the idea that "if someone effs with me I'LL JUST poke him in his eye - kick him in his balkans - punch/chop hit him in the throat - stomp his knee - do a throw - use my knife" - ect

the knee stomp is solidly and repeatdly in that category so i wanted to mention it here

another way ive seen this play out

imagine that you (not YOU SPECIFICALLY - just a generic "you"which means "anybody" or "somebody" but only takes three letters to spell) know this really great punch defense where when someone tries to knock your head off you can use the momentum of the punch to launch them right out into oncoming traffic - which is another really great "i'll just" technique lol and it works every time that it works

then one day someone starts a fight with you and they hit you right in your noggen -but they sucker punched when you werent quite ready - you actually were looking at their friend who walked up real quick yelling names at you

so in your head you know this good technique -and it really is a good technique and it really does work in real fights - but after he sucker punches you he grabs your collar and starts blasting at your face in the "hockey player" style
then shi friend jumps in and gets to your side and punches you in the side of your head - but youve got this other dude latched on to you and hes also punching the hell out of you and now the friend has got a hold of you too and he works his arm around your neck in a choke hold....

this is a real scenario from a real life experience and it touches on a reality that needs to be expressed and understood

again im not saying you particularly in regards to this technique, but this happens to most people when confronted with a situation that is outside of their range of previous experience, especially when the experience is emotionally intense and being stabbed with a knife is in that category of experience known as "emotionally intense" lol

techniques are not answers or solutions to problems or attacks - techniques are just various targets of opportunity WITHIN the broader "technique" of being determined to fight and win

the real technique is "im gonna fx him up as soon as he comes near me and im not gonna stop until he's DONE - asleep dead maimed run away or begging me to stop - WHATEVER

"im not going to stop until its done"

sorry for the internet tough guy talk - im really not very tough

but thats still the real technique

all the other little techniques that exist inside of that technique are just options of chance which help express and manifest that single technique

one resonse i know some might have is that it doesnt always need to be so extreme - and basically i agree but i can tell you from life experience that it is easier to stop yourself and check yourself from going any further overboard once youve turned that mindset on than it is to "win" against someone in that mindset without turning it on yourself

its pretty nearly impossible untilyouve gone through that psychological process or until youve reached a level of technical ability AND technical knowledgeability in a fighting system where you can act with genuine restraint because whatever they do youre the one in control

that control really is more psychological than physical but the physical development serves as the vehicle for the psychological development or the foundation from which the psychological development can occur

and that is done by using the physical training to mentally create and cultivate your "ON switch" or "GO button" which is the state of mind described above

the different scenarios we train in are not so much developing specific techniques for specific situations but more like rehearsals for turning on the switch and hitting the "go button" under different kinds of circumstances

until you develop that GO button none of the techniques will work
conversely, once youve done it they can nearly all work but if they do or dont it wont matter because its just one prolonged moment of full on commitment - you might not even know which technique works or worked after its done because you werent thinking in terms of technique - you were thinking in terms of GO

also i wanted to mention that what i think the most important part of what he was saying in that video (which is related to the above point) is that the experience of being attacked with a knife is difficult to respond to not so much because ofthe akwardness of body positioning or relative speed of the arms but because of that emotional intensity

being stabbed or cut up by a ferocious person who wants to really hurt you is cumulatively disturbing - every motion of their arm makes the attack more psychologically intimidating because every motion does an unknown amount of injury and leads directly into another motion which also does an unknown level of injury

it could be totally superficial or you maynot be alive when the paramedics show up and theres no way to stop and find out because hes giving you more of these injuries even as you realize the severity of the moment that youre experiencing


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so with all that in mind again i think your idea is good - i think it could work

just remember to train for the context

sorry it took a bit to respond

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26 Mar 2015 17:04 - 26 Mar 2015 17:05 #185725 by OB1Shinobi
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Adder wrote: I tend to see the ideal 'warrior' as some sort of non-state aligned Navy Seal type of character, using technology to insert somewhere, conduct special reconnaissance of some important inappropriateness or calamity, and then assist other more suitable assets to conduct operations. Though they tend to look like Imperial Pilots with the whole drysuits, UBA's and face mask thing!!!

Then I wheel back to the ideology of the mindset to achieve that, and tend to think the US Army SF and USMC MARSOC have a neat approach with the foreign internal defense capability for that particular aspect - perhaps covering the civil engineering, medical and cultural components more.

I guess there is a bridge there between being a subject matter expert and having some real world role in achieving outcomes, in outlandish ideal fantasy land, though hopefully not needing guns, demolitions and fire support
:pinch:
That said, the hand to hand fighting an improvised weapon training I think is a core component of that bridge between holding the mindset and using the toolkit, for a Jedi 'warrior'.


YES! lol
this exactly

also

de oppreso liber

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26 Mar 2015 22:25 #185767 by OB1Shinobi
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtLwU16-3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKnLjYu0ROc

this guy, shane, usually gives good information
hes well researched, technically sound and pragmatically realistic in his expectations of technique results, as a general rule

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tia_3B_hk64


this guys expectations are higher than i agree with -by far- but its instructional none the less

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokN3y_af5M


this dude is imo wrong in much of what he says - a recurring theme with "street" and "street fighting" experts - but the technique he shows is valid enough for what it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6V8W9Yu0zE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeUlloMIQq8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqJgrdzPHE


i thought this was interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClfYe9Uly28

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26 Mar 2015 23:03 #185780 by OB1Shinobi
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvBWqxv0Rw0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bqU2r7PmrE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XryzQUM8qEM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVedKaxj-KE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVmUjQHhHI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX9TrGaXG-Y



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNYPWvWOZ1g



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNhZyfRP9Y

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26 Mar 2015 23:14 - 26 Mar 2015 23:15 #185782 by OB1Shinobi
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this post is entirely about understanding people and using our senses


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7L9uCpZNBs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKfqpHiZ-Gw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulBRSXtXTmo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-y5ZLQmoNE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS0lg5Ryujs

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26 Mar 2015 23:25 - 26 Mar 2015 23:30 #185783 by OB1Shinobi
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continuation from previous post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5oeY2MUYms


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_6vDLq64gE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2EAD-b7zIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ECJhrIsjs

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