"God Hates Gays"

Everyone has a right to their own opinions (including the men and women of the cloth) but I don't agree with "God hates gays." My uncle's Boyfriend (yes his bf) is in fact a ordained preacher of a local church where I am told the gay community goes to worship god in a unjudging area. Just because they do things a normal straight man wouldn't do it shouldn't matter, if you don't agree then don't do it but don't ever bash. Bashing on someone only hurts them and we all have feelings which destroys self esteem. This happens in schools across the country where gay children are so upset they commit suicide. In the end what does it accomplish? All it did was basically murder a poor innocent confused child that only wanted to fit in and feel accepted. Most gay men and women CANNOT choice to turn it off because it IS a biological misfire. Now if God made us in his own image then it shouldn't matter if someone is gay or straight we are all equals.

Ok so i am mostly Christian based but I've been learning a lot about Islam of late and due to my state of life I have come across taqwacore or Islamic punk rockers.

The idea of punk abrahamics is still a stride for my head to wrap around but there was a very worth message put out

"our Allah is to big for my Islam to be so small"

It is not a far stretch to replace Allah with God or Jesus and Islam with Christianity.
The old testament is there for us to learn of our god and the world of Jesus to give us better understanding of the depths is his sacrifice. It was not given to beat or break our neighbors.

I would counter act by saying its over 2000+ years old... times change, if people do not look at evolution we are doomed.. we as jedi.. focus on now.. not what was..

Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine
　　and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all
　　planes.”—The Kybalion

I do not practice an Abrahamic Faith. I am a Hermitist.

The great Seventh Hermetic Principle—the Principle of Gender-embodies the truth that there is Gender manifested in everything-that the Masculine and Feminine principles are ever present and active in all phases of phenomena, on each and every plane of life. At this point we think it well to call your attention to the fact that Gender, in its Hermetic sense, and Sex in the ordinarily accepted use of the term, are not the same.

The word “Gender” is derived from the Latin root meaning “to beget; to procreate; to generate; to create; to produce.”

Both the male and female are contained in every organism in ALL of its aspects, from the monad to the universe. Gender is a manifestation of the ALL, and is necessary to creation of everything from the monad to the universe.

Male cannot beget with male, nor female with female. Only through the union of masculine and feminine can any creation be wrought.

This having been said, it is my beleif that god neither loves nor hates gays.

I don't quite understand what your point is. You seem to be saying that only heterosexual union produces offspring (agreed) and that the roots of the word "gender" come from the Latin "genus" (agreed). Of course, you don't mention that more recent versions of the word came to mean "type" as a more generic term but that's beside the point. Other than agreeing with the etymology of the word and the biological reality of procreation, what is your point and what has it got to do with the title of the post?

[/quote]This having been said, it is my beleif that god neither loves nor hates gays.[/quote]

How can you be the one who determines what god loves and does not love. You have much to learn about the creator/creation relationship and much to learn of an open heart.

I wasn't trying to make any point at all. I was only offering my point of view on the matter. I realize that at present it will seem to be incomplete, because in truth it is. This was due to a time constraint. A matter I intend to correct.

I have made no determination of that kind. Belief, and determination are not the same thing. My statement was I believe, not that I determine the truth to be. I merely wanted to offer an alternative point of view, not to spark a debate.

With a Topic title as "God Hates gays" you are bound to get a debate... thanks for the clarifcation though.

This is an oversight on my part. I wished to respond to the original posting of this topic, but I mistakenly selected new topic instead of reply. I wasn't the one who made the original post.

Threads merged.

Angelus wrote: Some of you may be familiar with the Westboro Baptist church and preacher Shirley Phelps-Roper. If so, what is your position (as followers of the Abrahamic rite) on their beliefs?

They are strongly against homosexuality, as evienced by their famous picket signs that read 'God Hates Fags'. They defend this statement with a passage from the bible; "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman. That is detestable." Leviticus 18:22. What do you think of that? If you had to, how would you counter-argue that bible passage?

Here is the original post and it's about http://GodHatesFags.com also known as the Westboro Baptist Church.

I checked out the link, and read their about section. From what I read, their actual denomination seems purposefully and passionately intentional toward hate, wrath, violence, and riddance through the form of death, for the sake of promoting their god as all powerful and void of tolerance.

Another advocate of many of the things that WBC promotes is Landover Baptist Church, who actually has a forum - http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

I've once debated as an opposition to them in the past on their boards with dozens of other people and they seem pretty void of tolerance toward any ideas that are even slightly different from their own.

After checking out the link I have to say one can have believes and strong ones at that. but when you go around telling everyone who is in anyway diferent from you, that they are going to burn in hell thats going a little far. also they have no regard for feelings of there fellow man, becaue it says in the bible to love thy neighbor not go around and tell them there going to burn in hell for all eternity.

Having looked at the web site I can only feel pity for anyone with so much hate in their heart.

The views of this church, in my opinion, represent the worst of what can happen when words are taken out of time and context as the words of the Bible have been in this case.

The Force will be with you always.

pb9528 wrote: After checking out the link I have to say one can have believes and strong ones at that. but when you go around telling everyone who is in anyway diferent from you, that they are going to burn in hell thats going a little far. also they have no regard for feelings of there fellow man, becaue it says in the bible to love thy neighbor not go around and tell them there going to burn in hell for all eternity.

Agreed. Now, from what I have learned about these people, is that their religion revolves around the manipulation of ideas surrounding nit-picked scriptures in the bible. To these people "neighbor" does not define just anybody, but your "neighbor in christ" which means "your fellow believer" only. Their belief closes them into a club in which anybody who refuses to join is an abomination and an enemy. Their definition of tolerance is very different from ours. To them, tolerance is the opposite of love and that "love" assumes rigorous intervention to save somebody from eternal torment in hell.

I offer no argument nor counter to that passage in Leviticus. To do so would be to imply that tennents of christianity are incorrect. It is not my right, nor my place to hold that any belief is superior to another.

Against the misguided, and hateful activism demonstrated by the Westboro Baptist Church I will say that activism more often than not becomes a far grater evil than the one it is set against.

http://GodHatesFags.com is real and it's the Westboro Baptist Church.

http://landoverbaptist.net and .com and .org is a fake parody church that many believe is real. It's by the same person that made http://BettyBowers.com (America's Best Christian). This satire church is Betty Bowers' church.

Betty Bowers is a character played by Devon Green http://www.facebook.com/DevenGreen .

http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&feature=player_embedded

I offer no argument nor counter to that passage in Leviticus. To do so would be to imply that tennents of christianity are incorrect. It is not my right, nor my place to hold that any belief is superior to another.

Against the misguided, and hateful activism demonstrated by the Westboro Baptist Church I will say that activism more often than not becomes a far grater evil than the one it is set against.