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Weekday Doctrine Meditations 13:00 utc(Ajax)
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(05:03:49) Rosalyn_J: Hello!!
(05:03:58) steamboat28: Good timezone!
(05:04:12) Rosalyn_J: yay people
(05:04:14) Twigga: Ha! Got it to load... AJax was being dodge
(05:04:27) Rosalyn_J: awesome!!
(05:04:43) Rosalyn_J: Today we are going to discuss the Code
(05:05:11) Twigga: nice
(05:05:41) Rosalyn_J: as we know there are two versions:
(05:05:43) Rosalyn_J: Emotion, yet Peace. There is no Emotion, there is Peace.
Ignorance, yet Knowledge. There is no Ignorance, there is Knowledge.
Passion, yet Serenity. There is no Passion, there is Serenity.
Chaos, yet Harmony. There is no Chaos, there is Harmony.
Death, yet the Force. There is no Death, there is the Force.
(05:05:55) Temple remote: Arisaig logs into the Chat.
(05:06:28) Twigga: *waves to Arisaig*
(05:06:36) Rosalyn_J: Hi Arisaig
(05:06:36) Arisaig: heyo.
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(05:07:39) Rosalyn_J: Ive been known to use one as a regular code and one as a decision code
(05:08:08) Rosalyn_J: what about you all? How have you interpreted and used the Code?
(05:09:00) steamboat28: I see the "yet" code as a system of dualities, regarding the nature of the Force and our lives. I see the standard code as affirmations that the former (emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos, and death) are illusory.
(05:09:17) Rosalyn_J: ah
(05:09:22) steamboat28: but that the latter remains, regardless.
(05:10:14) Arisaig: agreed with Steam, the first part is usually part of innate programming that we're taught throughout our lives, the latter is what we should aspire to.
(05:10:54) Rosalyn_J: Wonderful, absolutely wonderful
(05:11:05) Rosalyn_J: Twigga?
(05:11:16) Twigga: I am made of the first halves - emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos and death. Sometimes I need to listen to them to inform me where I wanna go, and what I want to do. Sometimes I need them to be there as a backdrop, but let my knowledge, serenity, harmony and *shrugs* yeah, sometimes the force stuffs too, come out and shine.
(05:12:00) Rosalyn_J: Wow, really good
(05:12:03) Arisaig: mm, well said twigga. The first part is usually the knee jerk reaction of the ego (in my experience at least).
(05:12:04) Twigga: So I use both. Depending on my state at the time.
(05:12:13) Rosalyn_J: Me too
(05:12:56) steamboat28: I think it's important to realize both have their place; if one were without use, would we not discard it? Yet we keep them both. Surely, there must be some knowledge in them to be gleaned.
(05:13:40) Rosalyn_J: We cannot have only a positive or only a negative poll
(05:13:56) Rosalyn_J: Life makes it so that we will always have dualities
(05:14:12) Rosalyn_J: The Code is the very expression of life
(05:14:19) Twigga: ... what is a duality (?)
(05:14:33) steamboat28: So when I am overcome with passion, I realize that serenity can still exist within me at the same time. ("yet" code)
When I am ignorant, however, I must know that state to be temporary and to seek Knowledge. (standard code)
(05:15:06) steamboat28: Twigga, within this Temple, a duality is a set of two things that are not as opposite as they appear.
(05:15:24) Twigga: *nods* THAT'S good to know.
(05:15:42) Rosalyn_J:
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(05:16:06) Twigga: Like boys and girls. Folks often see 'em as opposites; but actually they're, like, 99.9% the same.
(05:16:28) steamboat28: For example, white and black are not opposites, though they may seem it. Rather, one of them informs us of the other; if we're drawing in pencil on white paper, we need both to see.
(05:16:39) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:18:00) Rosalyn_J: This was meant to be a very short opportunity to connect and we are coming up on the end
(05:18:33) Rosalyn_J: Are there any more discussion points or quick questions we can answer before we get to recite the Creed together?
(05:18:58) Twigga: Only thanks for the perspectives - all been interesting
(05:19:16) steamboat28: I believe that in some cases, the "yet" code can be interpreted "in the midst of"...that we may have Peace in the midst of our Emotion.
(05:19:34) steamboat28: I find that thought soothing when I am overcome.
(05:19:55) Rosalyn_J: Kind of like the eye of a storm?
(05:20:00) steamboat28: Precisely.
(05:20:56) Rosalyn_J: Arisaig, did you have any final thoughts or questions?
(05:21:05) Arisaig: i think im good.
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(05:21:11) Rosalyn_J: ok great
(05:21:21) Rosalyn_J: With that, let us recite the Creed
(05:21:37) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(05:21:45) steamboat28: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(05:21:47) Arisaig: I am a Jedi, and instrument of peace;
(05:21:51) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of Peace;
(05:22:05) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:22:09) Arisaig: where there is hatred i shall bring love;
(05:22:14) steamboat28: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:22:19) Twigga: Where there is hatred , I shall bring Love;
(05:22:32) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:35) Arisaig: where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:43) steamboat28: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:45) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:58) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:02) Arisaig: where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:03) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:09) steamboat28: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:21) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:29) steamboat28: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:33) Arisaig: where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:36) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:49) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:23:52) Arisaig: where there is darkness, light;
(05:23:54) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:23:57) steamboat28: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:24:12) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:24:21) Arisaig: and where there is sadness, joy.
(05:24:21) steamboat28: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:24:24) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:24:32) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:24:37) Arisaig: I am a Jedi.
(05:24:39) steamboat28: I am a Jedi.
(05:24:47) Twigga: I am a JEdi
(05:25:07) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:09) Arisaig: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:16) steamboat28: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:30) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:44) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:25:47) Arisaig: To be understood as to understand.
(05:25:55) steamboat28: To be understood as to understand;
(05:25:56) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:26:14) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love
(05:26:23) Twigga: To be loved as to Love
(05:26:25) steamboat28: To be loved as to love
(05:26:25) Arisaig: to be loved as to love;
(05:26:41) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:26:46) Arisaig: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:26:51) steamboat28: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:26:54) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:27:11) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:14) Arisaig: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:20) steamboat28: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:22) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(05:27:42) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life
(05:27:44) Arisaig: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:27:46) steamboat28: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:28:19) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:28:28) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(05:28:31) Arisaig: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:28:32) steamboat28: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:28:42) Twigga: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:29:04) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all
(05:29:16) Arisaig: and may it be with you.
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(05:29:30) Twigga: Thank you, Rosalyn
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(05:29:33) steamboat28: And also with you.
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(05:29:46) Rosalyn_J: Thank you all for coming
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(05:29:51) steamboat28: Thank yo ufor hosting
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Saturday brings us a new Sermon as well as an Ordination Ceremony for Atticus. See here for details: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/136-Announcements/120945-atticus-ordained-minister-announcement-and-ceremony-march-10-2018-19-00-utc?start=20#318251
Sunday brings us a new Cantina Chat hosted by Arisaig See here for details: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/120980-cantina-chat-11-03-2018
I'll be boppin around Ajax tomorrow. I'll be sure to shout when I am in there
And I will see you all on Monday at 13:00 for the first meditation on the 16 teachings: Jedi are in touch with the Force
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1. Jedi are in touch with the Force. We are open to spiritual awareness and keep our minds in tune with the beauty of the world. We are forever learning and open our minds to experiences and knowledge of ourselves and others.
See you all at 13:00
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(05:01:12) Temple remote: Rosalyn_J logs into the Chat.
(05:01:26) Twigga: Morning Ros
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(05:02:39) Rosalyn_J: Mornin Ill be right with ya
(05:02:58) Twigga: take your time
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(05:06:45) Temple remote: Rosalyn_J has been logged out (Timeout).
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(05:07:09) Twigga: I'm just practising verbs and their prepositions in Dutch... Learning sucks sometimes. But It'll be nice to speak to neighbours without sounding like a moron
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(05:07:36) Twigga: Anything fun lined up for you today?
(05:08:45) Rosalyn_J: Im doin alright
(05:08:54) Rosalyn_J: we changed our clocks forward
(05:09:06) Rosalyn_J: my body feels like its only 12:00
(05:09:06) Twigga: Ah!
(05:09:28) Rosalyn_J: thats why Im draggin
(05:09:33) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(05:09:39) Twigga:
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(05:09:54) Rosalyn_J: ready for Jedi are in touch with the Force?
(05:10:16) Twigga: Huh! nope; but yes.
(05:10:33) Rosalyn_J: lol
(05:10:35) Rosalyn_J: 1. Jedi are in touch with the Force. We are open to spiritual awareness and keep our minds in tune with the beauty of the world. We are forever learning and open our minds to experiences and knowledge of ourselves and others.
(05:10:38) Twigga:
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(05:10:44) Rosalyn_J: There is the teaching
(05:11:10) Rosalyn_J: Its one of the easier ones to meditate on
(05:11:42) Rosalyn_J: How can we keep our minds in touch with the beauty of the world today?
(05:13:14) Rosalyn_J: Twigga?
(05:13:16) Twigga: That bit - I think - is one of the easier bits. It's about changing perspectives if you're not really seeing beauty, appreciating the beauty of the world.
(05:13:34) Rosalyn_J: Ah
(05:13:55) Rosalyn_J: Yes, similar to my thoughts on the matter
(05:13:55) Twigga: Here's where gratitude can get in, right under your skin, even when it's not so beautiful.
(05:14:14) Rosalyn_J: thats really good
(05:14:36) Twigga: 'cause you've been lucky enough to know it better. And that can bring you hope.
(05:14:47) Rosalyn_J: Sometimes it can be difficult to see beauty within the people that we work with as well
(05:14:58) Rosalyn_J: or communicate with on a daily basis
(05:15:04) Twigga:
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(05:15:12) Twigga: Yep!
(05:15:14) Rosalyn_J: because our narratives have already been created for them
(05:15:44) Twigga: Good point. The closer they are, the harder they can fall.
(05:15:51) Rosalyn_J: so, today, maybe we could work on reforming or removing those
(05:16:12) Rosalyn_J: because they really do get in the way of genuine connection
(05:16:13) Twigga: *nods* nice idea.
(05:17:08) Rosalyn_J: What about the second portion here about knowledge? What are your thoughts?
(05:19:40) Twigga: Yes, this meditation get's easier for me in the third sentence. I have a love-hate relationship with education; but with talking to people; generally being open to PEOPLE and ideas - that's fine... Education learning touches on rationality; the ability to understand - which is important - so I should probably open that love-hate relationship up into just being a "love" one...
(05:20:28) Twigga: The ability to understand is part of that connection. When I say it's "important" - the word underestimaes... important.
(05:21:21) Twigga: "Educuation - to lead out of darkness" - a nice definition I heard (ex ducare)
(05:21:46) Rosalyn_J: Sometimes it can be hard to differentiate traditional education from "learning"
(05:22:11) Rosalyn_J: ah but thats really good (ex ducare)
(05:22:28) Twigga: I don't know latin - might want to check that before you use it.
(05:22:48) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:23:17) Rosalyn_J: What I have tried to remember is that learning is ever a process
(05:23:49) Rosalyn_J: whenever we think we "know" something, we close off our minds to different perspectives
(05:24:02) Rosalyn_J: that can often have negative effects
(05:25:05) Twigga: Been there, and got the "Arrogance" t-shirt with tie-dye effect.
(05:25:16) Rosalyn_J: hehe
(05:25:20) Twigga:
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(05:25:35) Rosalyn_J: well we are coming up on the end of our time together
(05:25:43) Twigga: I still like to visit for holidays.
(05:25:57) Rosalyn_J:
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(05:26:10) Rosalyn_J: Would you like to recite the Creed with me?
(05:26:14) Twigga: Thanks Ros - it was nice! Glad we managed to dodge the first sentence
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(05:26:23) Twigga: Yes! That's be lovely.
(05:26:29) Rosalyn_J: oh
(05:26:35) Rosalyn_J: I forgot that part
(05:26:37) Rosalyn_J: dangit
(05:26:58) Rosalyn_J: We should do that first part
(05:27:01) Twigga: no no, I'm good - heaps too much mystery there for me.
(05:27:04) Twigga:
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(05:27:12) Rosalyn_J: Jedi are in touch with the Force is a solid line
(05:27:35) Rosalyn_J: How do we maintain "in touch with the Force"?
(05:28:45) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:28:57) Rosalyn_J: hello E
(05:29:09) Twigga: I let the Force be in touch with the Jedi if that's what it wants to do.
(05:29:18) Proteus: hello
(05:29:29) Twigga: Just - let it get on with it's thing, while I get on with mine. Seems fair.
(05:29:40) Rosalyn_J: I would say that the Jedi is always in touch with the Force
(05:29:41) Twigga: Hi Proteus!
(05:30:09) Rosalyn_J: whatever we do to help ourselves be aware of it via meditation or ritual is just that
(05:30:18) Rosalyn_J: an exercise in awareness
(05:30:56) Proteus: are we talking about being in touch with the Force?
(05:31:02) Rosalyn_J: yep
(05:31:24) Twigga: just a light topic, you know, for the Monday morning
(05:31:33) Rosalyn_J:
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(05:32:10) Proteus: tricky one, that
(05:32:24) Proteus: "how do we bite our own teeth"
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(05:32:40) Twigga: ^
(05:32:46) Rosalyn_J: lol
(05:33:10) Proteus: this is where you say "SHUT UP, WATTS!"
(05:33:27) Proteus:
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(05:33:31) Twigga: right!
(05:33:32) Rosalyn_J: I've gotten really close when I have eaten too quickly
(05:33:40) Twigga: Ha ha ha
(05:33:47) Rosalyn_J: biting one's tongue hurts
(05:34:47) Proteus: I've come to wonder if i'm most in touch with the force when I have forgotten about it completely, and am instead just immersed naturally in whatever i am doing.
(05:35:06) Rosalyn_J: there is that too
(05:35:16) Rosalyn_J: "in flow" as they call it
(05:36:03) Rosalyn_J: In any case, you both are free to continue to discuss after the Creed
(05:36:17) Rosalyn_J: but if we don't stop now, I will be late for the bus
(05:36:26) Twigga:
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(05:36:40) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:36:51) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:37:15) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:37:28) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring Love;
(05:37:37) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:37:46) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:37:58) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:38:08) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:38:24) Temple remote: Proteus has been logged out (Timeout).
(05:38:26) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:38:29) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:38:43) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:38:57) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:39:11) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:39:25) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:39:38) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:39:48) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:39:55) Twigga: I am a Jedi.
(05:40:13) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:40:29) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:40:58) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:41:02) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:41:17) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(05:41:25) Twigga: To be loved as to love.
(05:41:39) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:41:51) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:42:05) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:42:22) Twigga: It is in pardnoing that we are pardoned;
(05:42:42) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:42:55) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:43:11) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(05:43:23) Twigga: the force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:43:38) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all
(05:43:52) Twigga:
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(05:44:02) Rosalyn_J: Thank you
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Jedi maintain a clear mind; which can be achieved through meditation and contemplation. Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. We must work on overcoming our individual issues through training and diligence.
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(04:59:44) Rosalyn_J: Hello!!
(04:59:56) Rosalyn_J: finished with the bike ride?
(05:00:09) Twigga: Yep! Just landed back home
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(05:00:20) Twigga: How're you this morning? Sleep well?
(05:00:25) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:00:41) Rosalyn_J: ah two people
(05:00:50) Rosalyn_J: ./pressure increases
(05:00:52) Rosalyn_J:
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(05:01:04) Rosalyn_J: whats say we get started
(05:01:08) Proteus stares anxiously at Ros, waiting
(05:01:13) Proteus:
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(05:01:24) Rosalyn_J: today's meditation is on teaching 2
(05:01:26) Rosalyn_J: 2. Jedi maintain a clear mind; which can be achieved through meditation and contemplation. Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. We must work on overcoming our individual issues through training and diligence.
(05:01:47) Rosalyn_J: Lots of good stuff there
(05:02:32) Rosalyn_J: I'll be honest in saying that meditation isn't exactly my strong suit
(05:02:48) Rosalyn_J: what is "commonly" known as meditation
(05:03:11) Rosalyn_J: but I like the idea of contemplation. Which is why I started this
(05:03:35) Twigga: I haven't much of a clue as to what counts as Meditation after Watts - seems like Everything counts
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(05:04:02) Rosalyn_J: its been years since I heard that lecture
(05:04:13) Proteus: Paying attention to one's self perhaps?
(05:05:00) Rosalyn_J: (must resist temptation to begin discussion on "self")
(05:05:28) Twigga: I'm suspecting it may be more as such Proteus... but it's very difficult to "switch off" the "outside".
(05:05:42) Proteus: "What is my breath doing?" ... "What am I hearing?" ... "What am I feeling?" ... "What am I thinking?" (yet observing these things from a distance)
(05:06:14) Rosalyn_J: explain that a bit more Twigga
(05:08:59) Twigga: There was a nice "breathing" meditation, a guided one, from Nhat .... somethign something... really sorry I can't remember his name - I'm a terrible speller with things like that.
(05:09:39) Twigga: That clicks for me with what Proteus was talking about. First time I felt "self" -ish about meditation time.
(05:10:01) Twigga: not just "maintainancy"...
(05:10:34) Rosalyn_J: If you find that link I am sure we would all benefit
(05:11:00) Rosalyn_J: any other thoughts, E?
(05:11:23) Twigga: It's in Insight timer. Thich Nhat Hanh!
(05:11:35) Rosalyn_J: oh solid
(05:11:49) Twigga: Good dude that one.
(05:12:26) Proteus: I don't have anything else unless you would like me to.
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(05:12:41) Rosalyn_J: Lets talk about this next part "Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. "
(05:13:09) Rosalyn_J: Any thoughts?
(05:13:19) Proteus: Why is it that meditation helps us be calmer and more ready for things around us?
(05:13:56) Twigga: I love the "unduely troubled" bit. For me I feel like it's a compassionate "you can rest when you're weary" thing. I like that a lot.
(05:14:42) Twigga: due concern, yes. due trouble, yes. but balance.
(05:15:06) Rosalyn_J: there is something to be said for what qualifies as news
(05:15:25) Rosalyn_J: watch enough of that and you'd think the end of the world was upon us
(05:15:48) Proteus: Can news also come from inside of us?
(05:16:05) Rosalyn_J: can you expand that?
(05:16:11) Proteus: Like "This just in: I haven't paid my bills this month, I feel like hell"
(05:16:20) Rosalyn_J: ah that
(05:16:28) Twigga:
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(05:16:34) Rosalyn_J: it happens
(05:16:52) Rosalyn_J: but it also goes with what we put our attention on
(05:16:59) Proteus: perhaps there are reporters not only out there in the world we shouldn't buy into but reporters inside our own heads as well?
(05:17:06) Rosalyn_J: what is allowed before our senses
(05:17:16) Twigga: I think our internal journalist definitely counts.
(05:17:33) Rosalyn_J: yeah I'm right there with you
(05:17:39) Proteus: "Breaking News: I have offended someone I care about! I'm a horrible friend!"
(05:17:49) Rosalyn_J: lol
(05:18:00) Rosalyn_J: me at least once a week
(05:18:01) Twigga: And then you need to fake-news debunk that info too.
(05:18:18) Proteus: Would you say meditation helps us turn away from the inner "TV"? even "turn down the volume"?
(05:18:43) Rosalyn_J: yes, as with outer so with inner
(05:18:50) Rosalyn_J: and vis versa
(05:19:05) Twigga: I really dunno. As I said; I'm not sure I've really grasped meditation - but I'm still exploring stuff.
(05:19:19) Rosalyn_J: me either Twigga
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(05:19:30) Proteus: Does meditation require lots of ritual?
(05:19:51) Rosalyn_J: I don't know if grasping is the goal
(05:19:59) Rosalyn_J: bit like grasping air
(05:20:20) Rosalyn_J: "I know how to do this thing"
(05:20:36) Proteus: How do you move your hand?
(05:20:42) Rosalyn_J: we shut our minds down to difference and to opportunities of learning
(05:21:24) Twigga: I'm taking a week out in April which I'm really looking forward to. That's going to be a return to a semi-ritual sung form of meditation; that eventually goes to silence. It was over 10 years, well over 10 years, I practised it. It'll be interested to see how it feels again after so long.
(05:21:44) Twigga: *interesting
(05:22:03) Rosalyn_J: sounds good
(05:22:11) Twigga: Might fit, might not. Worth exploring.
(05:22:39) Rosalyn_J: but remember, one doesn't have to be 'doing' meditation to meditate
(05:22:53) Twigga: ^ Watts
(05:23:40) Twigga: Nakis does cleaning meditation!
(05:23:47) Twigga: I loved that idea!
(05:24:14) Twigga: Preston, mindful eating....
(05:24:38) Rosalyn_J: this could be considered meditation as well
(05:24:52) Rosalyn_J: if you're not doing 200 things at the same time
(05:24:58) Rosalyn_J: ok guys
(05:25:31) Rosalyn_J: There is so much more we could say, but alas, the time has come to end for today
(05:26:02) Rosalyn_J: are there any more parting thoughts?
(05:26:20) Proteus: Just a smile
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(05:26:34) Twigga:
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(05:26:49) Rosalyn_J: Alright, please join me in reciting the Creed
(05:27:05) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:27:11) Proteus: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:27:22) Twigga: I am a Jedi, and instrument of Peace
(05:27:26) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love'
(05:27:36) Proteus: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(05:27:37) Twigga: where there is hatred, I shall bring Love
(05:28:03) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:28:08) Proteus: Where there is injury, pardon
(05:28:13) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:28:20) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:28:25) Proteus: Where there is doubt, faith
(05:28:27) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:28:37) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:28:42) Proteus: Where there is despair, hope
(05:28:47) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:28:58) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:29:04) Proteus: Where there is darkness, light
(05:29:05) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:29:20) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:29:26) Proteus: And where there is sadness, joy
(05:29:30) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:29:39) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:29:44) Twigga: I am a Jedi.
(05:29:45) Proteus: I am a Jedi.
(05:30:04) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:30:08) Proteus: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console
(05:30:17) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:30:31) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:30:36) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:30:38) Proteus: To be understood as to understand
(05:30:51) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(05:30:56) Proteus: To be loved as to love
(05:30:58) Twigga: To be loved as to Love
(05:31:09) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:31:17) Proteus: For it is in giving that we receive
(05:31:21) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:31:36) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:31:42) Proteus: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(05:31:50) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:32:05) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:13) Proteus: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:19) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:35) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:32:43) Proteus: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:32:54) Twigga: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:33:12) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both and may the Force be with you
(05:33:34) Proteus: Thank you Ros, you as well
(05:33:49) Twigga: Thanks again Ros! I hope you have a lovely day. Good luck catching the bus!
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