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Humor or Racist?
I would encourage the use of other material in conjunction. Not because I feel like it misrepresents anything, but...the more you know
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rugadd wrote: Would you recommend "I am not Your Negro." ZealotX? I recently watched it on Netflix and was wondering if it misrepresents anything.
Yes.
People are naturally united by opposition. There was not anti black unity among whites (that I know of) in the early days during slavery. This allowed whites to fight each other over "states rights" due to the right, the south felt it had, to own slaves. This allowed slavery to go on longer in North America than it did in other countries. Religion in this time was very terrible for black people. On the one hand, the figure of Jesus... a savior... represented the poor and downtrodden. On the other hand, Jesus was used by the slave master, to justify slavery and how "masters" should be treated while the OT was used to defend the practice of slavery and the "curse of Ham", the selection. But the OT also told black people the story of Moses, murdering a task master and freeing God's people from slavery and so... it was logical to think... that if they too became God's people, they too would be saved and if not in the same fashion as Moses then perhaps in the afterlife promised by Jesus.
The bible itself became a perfect tool in the hands of the slave master. It divided the minds of slaves against themselves. It taught them to be like sheep. It taught them to love unconditionally and ignore the sins of the master; to forgive them where no forgiveness was even requested. Slaves learned to be humble like Jesus and therefore led to the slaughter, like Jesus, hoping to be close to God in the afterlife, like Jesus.
These beliefs became the hope of the people that they clung to in order to help them to survive while being beaten in the fields or beaten by the police. And make no mistake about it, when a person is legally allowed to beat you, it isn't just that person beating you. That person may be holding the whip, but it is SOCIETY that's beating you. If society, by law, commandment, mandate, constitution, or judgment... grants permission... then it is society that is against you and that is beating you; not just the person allowed to hold the whip.
Any sane person thinks this way if they are in the position of the slave. I would say the film I am not Your Negro is an honest look into the mind of a black man who is sane. While the expectations of black people to be more like MLK are actually in...sane. Because they are expecting a human being to act as this high standard of morality that white Christians in the south weren't employing in their treatment of the same group of people. Whites were human and only expected to be such. Black people were treated as animals but expected to be docile and accept their place. In some cases they acted surprised when black people wanted to fight back, as if the desire to fight oppression wasn't normal or human. When Luke blows up the death star no one blinks. They cheer because they judged the whole of the empire to be evil when in reality, the empire wasn't evil, the leader was, and he survived. Even Vader, who had fallen to the dark side, also survived.
Our human nature tells us its good to fight against evil. But white slave masters and their Christian brethren in the KKK never saw what they were doing as evil. So they treated blacks fighting for freedom as criminals; worse than criminals. They hung them on trees, knowing that Jesus had been hung on a cross. Why would you ever want to do that to someone if you had sympathy and love for Jesus?
I bring up religion because it is a central part of this story. Martin was from a religious tradition that emphasized peace and love. The idea of turning the other cheek was powerful... but for who? The person striking or the person receiving the strikes? You have to wonder.
The ideas of MLK were based on being a good Christian. Malcolm wasn't a Christian. And in fact Christians weren't Christians; historically speaking. During the dark ages this was clear in the Crusades and Inquisitions. But black people following Christianity internalized the mindset of Jesus in response to oppression while Muslims were informed by the teachings of Muhammed who was much more of a warrior while Jesus was the lamb that was slain; sacrificed for the world.
Black people were sacrificed to help build the country while someone else reaped the profits and have held those gains ever since. The mind of the proverbial black man is split between all these attitudes. It wants to love all people and forgive. It doesn't want to see any group of people or judge them the way he has been judged. But it is not fully sane to live in this world where you are good to everyone regardless of how they treat you; just so that you can make yourself more accepted and acceptable, making all the effort to please, through your submission and assimilation, the very master who immorally abuses you. That is acting more like an animal than a man. But that was expected of black people and so black people had to become good at pretending. Some are better than others at this.
Malcolm had to pretend for awhile and discovered he simply didn't have it in him. And so he became uncomfortably bold, saying the things in public that the proverbial black man was thinking. People found his honesty refreshing because if he said he didn't want to attack whites then they could trust that wasn't the plan. And of course there was never a plan for any kind of revenge. But even with survival there could not be a cohesive plan because black people were too busy supporting and being Christians or supporting and being Muslims. When Malcolm talks about Martin keeping the people defenseless one has to wonder why the country has a holiday for Martin but nothing for Malcolm because that wasn't their hero. He did nothing to work for or support society's agenda; that which was most convenient.
But being like too opposite poles of a battery, the power of Martin pushing black people towards positivity of heart but negative results vs the power of Malcolm pushing black people towards negativity of heart but positive results because he was talking about economics, one can see how the two could never be allowed merge the positive heart with the positive economics. If Martin stopped being 100% Martin and Malcolm stopped being 100% Malcolm... it would be bad for white supremacy. And that's what was starting to happen. Martin realized that asking for equality would only come on the terms of whites and it would never come if they didn't want it and it would be hard for them to want it if it meant giving up their advantage. But he lived long enough to see integration being used against black people because the ownership... the thing most important because ownership yields control, was going to stay with white supremacy. Malcolm had already understood that black people needed ownership and the best way was to buy and run things ourselves so that we could control our own money and maintain our own economic environment. But what he was missing was what he saw in Mecca, where he got to see a bigger world than what he experienced in America. Seeing muslims of all races showed him the potential white people could have and allowed him to raise his expectations, which were previously low because of the whites he had dealings with before. So the two men came from opposite ends and moved in opposite directions until they met in the middle.
Cheap Labor was always the name of the game. But poor whites hate competing against it even though they reap the greatest benefit from shopping at Walmart. Rich people don't need discounts on these everyday household items. But if discounts drive the poor and middle class to shop from the same source then rich get richer because there's only a handful who are rich and they all invest in companies that make money from the consumer market (or defense).
So the hatred that some whites feel is born out of that fear of competition. They don't want to lose their jobs so they wanted freed slaves to go back to Africa instead of competing with them in America. But their problem should have never been with Africans but with the rich who could get away with paying less for the same jobs and if that's the only way a black person could expect to get a job, was to take less, then less money > zero each and every time. So in effect, what poor whites have been competing with, is the very shadow of their own creation. We all reap what we sow. And once rich people discovered cheap labor overseas they went overseas so if freed slaves had gone back to Africa they would be taking even more American jobs because their cost of living wouldn't be nearly as high and they could therefore survive much more easily on lower salaries.
So knowing that rich whites will simply go overseas to replace any American worker they can by exploiting the costs of living (that they contribute to by adding to inflation), this means whites are hating blacks and latinos for NO REAL REASON. And like the documentary says, black people really do NOT hate whites no matter how it looks otherwise.
I think one of the best lines in the documentary was talking about how when white people say "give me liberty or give me death", because they fight back, violently, "the entire white world applauds" (around 26min). So it's frustrating... very frustrating... when you're trying to restrain the urge to be like the rebels in Star Wars, even when it seems like sometimes its the only way. And I say this, not simply as an African American, but a human who has read and heard tales of the multitude of tragedies that was the relationship between Europeans and Native Americans. I'm not sure, sometimes, whose fate was worse. But the sentiment expressed by the MAGA throngs tortures the souls of all these people who were sacrificed for Europeans to have this nation and all of its wealth. When you read the history books in school it doesn't really tell you the story. It tries to make it seem like "indians" were the bad guys when we all know that they taught European settlers how to survive. We celebrate that fact every year and yet there is no yearly acknowledgement of the massacres and the cowboys made into heroes for fighting the indians so that their lands could be stolen.
And these things are called conquest... like it makes it better if there's a big battle. That's like saying the Death Star was cool and any planet destroyed by it, it was their fault for not having their own moon sized space laser. These tribes weren't united and ready to defend against a massive group of settlers who were united in their invasion, nor was there big battles in which losing Africans were turned into slaves. The people at the wrong end of history are having to pay for these acts; they and their children and their children's children's children. And a lot of people have had enough. I don't know what form that resistance will end up taking but I know that if black people hated whites it would have already gone to the most extreme, most violent form, many years ago. At the same time, any such resolve is tempered by the insanity of religious sacrifice in exchange for a better future in the afterlife. But if too many people stopped suddenly being kept in this slumber, if they got tired of waiting for people to choose not to be racist or choose to stop teaching racism to their children, conflict is inevitable. But that conflict doesn't have to be black vs white. And so whites who aren't racist simply need to make the choice not to stand behind and support those who are because that's what's keeping racism in place. That's what's frustrating the black man.
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Adder wrote: Well, blowing up the Death Star was more like self defense in the first (IV) movie to be honest. And the third one was during construction (or at least they thought it was), and so in theory wouldn't have had as many folk onboard (surely construction would have been automated with droids mostly due to economic and productivity drivers) - given the station was designed purely as a planet destroyer it's a rather ominous mechanism to build and moreso given their demonstrated willingness to use it as they did on Alderaan.
That's totally true.
But you could also say that once Alderaan was destroyed there was no self-defense option for them. The fact that it existed alone was enough of a threat to any planet or system that wasn't willing to bow the head in obedience to the empire. So sometimes you can't wait until the gun is cocked and aiming at you. You have to see the threat as it develops and take appropriate action to minimize the threat. For the Republic the time to do that was before super weapons like the Death Star could even be started because it had to have first started as an idea.
That idea was only possible within a certain environment (mostly political). So before the chess pieces arranged themselves to this extent, that was the time to KEEP evil in check by making sure it could not achieve so much power. If you wait too long then you are also increasing the difficulty level of the moves that will have to be made on the right side to then correct or check the wrong.
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ZealotX wrote: That's totally true.
But you could also say that once Alderaan was destroyed there was no self-defense option for them. The fact that it existed alone was enough of a threat to any planet or system that wasn't willing to bow the head in obedience to the empire. So sometimes you can't wait until the gun is cocked and aiming at you. You have to see the threat as it develops and take appropriate action to minimize the threat. For the Republic the time to do that was before super weapons like the Death Star could even be started because it had to have first started as an idea.
That idea was only possible within a certain environment (mostly political). So before the chess pieces arranged themselves to this extent, that was the time to KEEP evil in check by making sure it could not achieve so much power. If you wait too long then you are also increasing the difficulty level of the moves that will have to be made on the right side to then correct or check the wrong.
It would speak to the urgency and the manner of which the problem could best be dealt with. So if we're considering the lives of the poor little 6 month in recruit on board the Deathstar who doesn't know their tit for their tat and has drunken the Empire is good kool aid, then the whole 'don't blow it up versus blow it up' would be a simplistic way to view the options. As in my opinion what made it self defence in the EpIV is that it was about to fire its boomstick imminently, and there was clearly no other way to stop it's next killing venture. So yea they cheered about managing to survive that situation, but that doesn't mean no-one blinked at the suffering it caused..... they just had no other choice in real terms.
But yea in the fiction they clearly showed an awareness it was better to destroy it before it came online as was demonstrated EpVI. I doubt they chose to wait for it to become operational to attack it as if they had some agenda to kill as many Imperial scum as possible Certainly I'd like to think the Jedi would seek the minimal footprint, and by extension the Rebel Alliance would be similar if not just to avoid being a copy of the Empire. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Adder wrote:
ZealotX wrote: That's totally true.
But you could also say that once Alderaan was destroyed there was no self-defense option for them. The fact that it existed alone was enough of a threat to any planet or system that wasn't willing to bow the head in obedience to the empire. So sometimes you can't wait until the gun is cocked and aiming at you. You have to see the threat as it develops and take appropriate action to minimize the threat. For the Republic the time to do that was before super weapons like the Death Star could even be started because it had to have first started as an idea.
That idea was only possible within a certain environment (mostly political). So before the chess pieces arranged themselves to this extent, that was the time to KEEP evil in check by making sure it could not achieve so much power. If you wait too long then you are also increasing the difficulty level of the moves that will have to be made on the right side to then correct or check the wrong.
It would speak to the urgency and the manner of which the problem could best be dealt with. So if we're considering the lives of the poor little 6 month in recruit on board the Deathstar who doesn't know their tit for their tat and has drunken the Empire is good kool aid, then the whole 'don't blow it up versus blow it up' would be a simplistic way to view the options. As in my opinion what made it self defence in the EpIV is that it was about to fire its boomstick imminently, and there was clearly no other way to stop it's next killing venture. So yea they cheered about managing to survive that situation, but that doesn't mean no-one blinked at the suffering it caused..... they just had no other choice in real terms.
But yea in the fiction they clearly showed an awareness it was better to destroy it before it came online as was demonstrated EpVI. I doubt they chose to wait for it to become operational to attack it as if they had some agenda to kill as many Imperial scum as possible Certainly I'd like to think the Jedi would seek the minimal footprint, and by extension the Rebel Alliance would be similar if not just to avoid being a copy of the Empire. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Not everyone foresaw the danger but there were already people who knew that the Empire didn't make a moon sized summer camp.
Rogue Squadron?
Anyway, I supposed that military personnel working at a nuclear silo probably have similar thoughts or questions. The mere fact they exist are threats to the world. They provoke other nations to equally arm themselves in order to keep the other nations in check. But ultimately it comes down to who is crazy enough to push the button first. And if that person doesn't exist... that's not evidence that they never will.
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