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Humor or Racist?
I don't think it's necessary to see the meme before giving a judgment on it (I believe my description is sufficient).
1) Normal humor, get over it.
2) Bad taste.
3) Racist.
I'll start by giving my opinion that the humor is in bad taste but does not qualify as racist.
Agree or disagree?
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If one were to deny someone access to a public place, a job, or an educational opportunity based on their perceived race - or indeed offer them better treatment, for that matter - I think we can agree that this would qualify unambiguously as unfair discrimination. But making fun of people is a way of including them in our society, not excluding them. We have more pressing things to do to our enemies than laugh at them. The people we have time to spend laughing at are our friends.
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Cray cray kids today - so worried about racism. Most have no idea what real racism even is.
OP: no rational person can make a reliable summary of the situation that you describe. Share all the relevant posts and give us direct quotes and links. You're asking us to have opinions on a situation of which we are 3/4 ignorant. There is no honest reply to your question if you cannot provide more information.
I will say only these two things:
Life sucks - its unfair and racism is one of the many hateful realities of this world that we live in. Any person with kindness in their soul should be willing to recognize and contend against all forms of injustice, including racism.
The other thing is this: Comedy is the last vestige of honest social commentary. Real comedy cuts us all equally and fkkk you if youre offended. Facebook is not a medium where truth is valued. The jokes of comedians are worth infinitely more than the likes and dislikes of the lemmings on Facebook. If someone posted something controversial on FB then take it for what its worth: maybe theyre a scumbag POS using humor to mask their hateful ideology. Maybe theyre a visionary who posted a truly new thought or idea, which can lead the open minded into greater levels of personal existence. Most likely theyre just another facebook idiot and you shouldnt waste your time caring what they think, one way or the other. Never let whiney, sheltered and privileged people make you back down down from liking what you like or disliking what you dislike.
Some people on Facebook were offended by a joke?
Ooooooohhhhh....
Thats real scary
Lol
People are complicated.
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I suppose I could try and google for the meme...
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1. Most comedian's seem to base it on exaggerations of actual behaviours which happen to be attributed to that race. But that should not to be confused with conferring exaggerated behaviours of a race on other members of the same race for humor, they are different mechanisms and the later seems to be using race association as a vehicle for humor (racist comedy), instead of the aforementioned use of a race behaviour as a vehicle for humor (race comedy).
and 2. The intent of the OP example is probably humor, but if a comedian only did that form of humor then it would rightly become seen as the intent was racism. Most comedian's share it around to different races because they are not racist nor trying to be, rather just looking for funny material.
So to answer the OP, probably 1, maybe 2 (depending on cultural and local sensitivities), unlikely 3 (depending on the variety of the comedian's usual content).
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My take
The Sitcom
I find nothing funny about the Sitcom. I used to. I would tune in weekly to stare into the tube and watch how people stuck in my box would be effected for my amusement. I still do but not as much as in the past. I have changed and so has my level of what I find funny. Age influences my funny bone as well as content.
I have been effected by racism all my living life. I think there will be forms of it when I die. To say that it doesn't exist are words I can never say. Finding it funny in person or at home or in the confides of my mind I think is much worse for me than in public. Its in the heart where most hate starts. Now I have problems giggling at A LOT of what was comedy in the 90'on till today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdkWRJuC0sM
I like Don
whats the diffrence
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+lopez+why+you+crying+clip&&view=detail&mid=513FA0208CC13AD9BFFD513FA0208CC13AD9BFFD&&FORM=VRDGAR
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=joe+rogan+standup+clips&&view=detail&mid=9E8AE06104D8EF93BA8A9E8AE06104D8EF93BA8A&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Djoe%2520rogan%2520standup%2520clips%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Djoe%2520rogan%2520standup%2520cli%26sc%3D3-21%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D1D355FEAACCC48D09284CDEEBBEB2684
They are the same jokes essentially Just from different vessels....
So part of what im doing now a days is being carful of the vessels im laughing at... the containers im comfy with.... and where my attention is going. I know, stick in the mud but thats me, I fight or i try to get better by the day. Im finding myself with the classics more than the new stuff honestly. Im talking the old school stand up comedians, list is too long. Its like they say, some times its best to go ... backwards. Im not a fan of racism and comedic racism as much any more. A lot of whats out there is obviously offensive and is geared toward that. Not my cup of tea. Not my show. I keep calm and carry on most times. I do not watch A LOT of whats out there today any way.
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LTK wrote: In one of the groups on Facebook, a meme came across that was imitating (in words) the accent of an Asian at a nail salon. The meme was labeled racist, and soon after, so was the poster; seemed to be a majority opinion on the meme. The words were about the cost and amount of dollars to do a number of fingernails. The words were benign but the imitation of the accent bothered dozens of people.
I don't think it's necessary to see the meme before giving a judgment on it (I believe my description is sufficient).
1) Normal humor, get over it.
2) Bad taste.
3) Racist.
I'll start by giving my opinion that the humor is in bad taste but does not qualify as racist.
Agree or disagree?
I am a self-appointed expert on racism. No, the meme was 100% not racist and in fact, people reacting to it as if it is belittles actual racism and allows actual racists to be more tolerated by society because too many people cannot tell the difference.
For a full explanation continue reading the spoiler content:
What is racism? Is racism simply making fun of another race/ethnicity? No. Racism involves a power dynamic where a member of the dominant race believe in and works towards the dominance of that race over others. It is literally like imagining every 'race' as a runner in an actual race and trying to win or maintain their status as the winner with all the benefits, social, political, and economic, that winning naturally comes with. Either you want equality and equal opportunity for people of all races or... you want one race (typically your own) to succeed to the exclusion or disadvantage of others.
Making fun of other races isn't, on its own, racist just like telling jokes about women or men, isn't, on it's own, sexist. But racists are more likely to make insensitive jokes and sexists are the same about gender. But what really makes someone a sexist is that they (typically males) believe the opposite sex (typically females) are inferior and that's the motive behind the joke. And not only are they making jokes but they aren't hiring females for good jobs, negatively impacting the lives of women and their opportunities. Or they may pay a woman less because they don't value her contribution the same as a man. The same is true of racists.
When a racist tells a joke the motive is to make fun of members of that race in such a way that other people have negative thoughts and feelings about that race. If, for example, you make fun of the a southern accent... while you could just be talking about the accent itself there is a chance you might be implying that people in the south are less intelligent or less sophisticated. That's wrong but it's not meant to be serious. It's an exaggeration and that is what most comedy is about.
One of the best comedians who makes fun of black people without offending us is Gary Owens. Normally, a white comedian can do it but results are mixed depends on what he says because of the ugly history where racists were making fun of black people and even imitating black skin, lips, and body parts in order to denigrate. It wasn't in "good humor" or "just for fun". It was mean spirited and exaggerated make these thing seem ugly and ridiculous. And when people are trying to get jobs and get bank loans and build wealth, that kind of portrayal has an impact. Imagine that it would be hard enough if you were a white kid from the suburbs and you suddenly had to live in a black country. You may not know what to expect or how you're going to be treated. But what if at the same time, people start snickering when you enter a room and people are making fun of you? It still may not be the same because your history is different. But that's not necessarily "Racism". Racism would be the Houtous vs the Tootsies who, just like Cain and Abel, separated over a hunter vs gatherer sort of lifestyle which made one more wealthy and thus led to classism which turned into one treating the other as an inferior "breed". It's ridiculous but it had real consequences.
Now when you compare real racism, with its consequences and implications, to something like making fun of how Asians pronounce things in English as a second language? There's no comparison. No one thinks Asians are bad employees or wants to kill them or anything like that as a result. Just like if an individual did something stupid or hilarious, making fun of them doesn't mean that you hold yourself superior to them nor does it mean you are plotting against them. That's not racism and shouldn't be confused for racism.
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