Myths?

Oy. At this point, we're just differing in definition. Sorry, but I'm going to have to stop here.

OK

Well, thanks for all of your response.

I see that we have problem with 'definition' of myths.

Can you please define myth in your next reply?

(Also I made another question too: )

from : http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Stories/81366-Myths?limit=10&start=20#81505

Why we have these? To sell more books and films and...? why would anyone paid to watch, hear, read these things? (by this I meant new myths )

I define myth as a tale which shows or has hidden in itself an important lesson, even if it wasn't it's creator's purpose.

As for the second question, we needed in the past, we'll need in the future and we need now such teachings, but the old myths are so outdated that most people cannot relate to their meaning. That's why we need new myths. As for who would have pay for learning such truths, I think that anyone would. Right now there are many people trying to cope with their spirituality through various so-called masters, who are looking solely for gain. New myths would be something they're looking for, as we all do. Furthermore, as stories, new myths wouldn't be able to become completely commercialized, because eventually they would become a part of a collective human knowledge and experience.

Kalkho's last post sums up very well my thoughts on the subject, so all I can add is, "me too!".

Thank you both

(Seriously I was waiting for more responses to that question... anyway Kalkho defined it well)

From now on, on this topic, by the word myth I (and probably others!) mean :

-A story who have one (or more) lessons in itself, which people follow (or accept) without asking to many questions about it.

A really good example is star wars. Many people accepted it (as a movie of course!) and not so many people asked 'why that lightsaber is in this way?' or 'is it really possible to move things with imagination as Yoda did?'

If you don't agree with this definition, give us yours, and explain why. Remember this is a discussion forum

Reminder: The last question is...

from : www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Stori...0&start=20#81505

Why we have these? To sell more books and films and...? why would anyone paid to watch, hear, read these things? (by this I meant new myths )

The ONLY thing I disagree with is that I would add "fictional" somewhere in there. We can split hairs about what "fiction" means, and how EVERYTHING is rooted in some kind of truth. But, dates in history books don't mention Gandalf or Zeus (being real).

RiddleNox wrote: The ONLY thing I disagree with is that I would add "fictional" somewhere in there. We can split hairs about what "fiction" means, and how EVERYTHING is rooted in some kind of truth. But, dates in history books don't mention Gandalf or Zeus (being real).

Well, do you agree that 'Big Bang Theory' is a myth itself unless you look it very scientifically? Is that fictional?

I think the Big Bang theory is a myth unless you explain it scientifically, yes.

THOUGH, I am not sure if it teaches much of a moral... lol.

RiddleNox wrote: I think the Big Bang theory is a myth unless you explain it scientifically, yes.

Then we are on the same train, I didn't used the word 'fiction' because for some, it's more than this... You know.

I know! And, I don't have a problem with that. Just my own interpretation.

Sajjad Heydari wrote:

RiddleNox wrote: I think the Big Bang theory is a myth unless you explain it scientifically, yes.

Then we are on the same train, I didn't used the word 'fiction' because for some, it's more than this... You know.

Ok, lets try this...

Whether God (whoever) clapped his hands and created the earth...

Or there was a Big Bang....

You dont get something from nothing... (at least I couldnt find an example...)

And, this is what I would say the point of the creation myth is... Something started it... Pick your myth... (haha, Riddle... )

It could be the will of a being, or the right combination of elements...

The ONLY thing I disagree with is that I would add "fictional" somewhere in there. We can split hairs about what "fiction" means, and how EVERYTHING is rooted in some kind of truth. But, dates in history books don't mention Gandalf or Zeus (being real).

History books?

So, the Greek and Romans didnt have tales of their Heros?

We call them myths now, but did they then?

The pyramids discuss RA and Anubis, and many others, are these historical facts, or myths?

How in depth are "the history books"? :laugh: Some stuff does get left out as "too outrageous" or "fictitious"....

The bible is an old book, is it a "history book"? It talks about the old world... It also talks about God...

And to give my answer, a myth is a story unsubstantiated.... We just seldom refer to them in this manner... Most of the time it's called a "story"....

And, this is what I would say the point of the creation myth is... Something started it... Pick your myth... (haha, Riddle... )

... Ok. sure, we can all agree on that. But, saying it was created by some fancy unicorn doesn't make it true. Buddhists think it's foolish to dwell on the origins of the universe, because it doesn't matter.

So, the Greek and Romans didnt have tales of their Heros?

We call them myths now, but did they then?

Because they were wrong...

The pyramids discuss RA and Anubis, and many others, are these historical facts, or myths?

How in depth are "the history books"? :laugh: Some stuff does get left out as "too outrageous" or "fictitious"....

The bible is an old book, is it a "history book"? It talks about the old world... It also talks about God..

And, it's wrong. Saying gods existed or God exists... it's just plain wrong. And, if you're right: YAY! You've picked the impossible needle from the haystack and come up with the right answer.

Like picking freaking lotto numbers to me.

RiddleNox wrote:

And, this is what I would say the point of the creation myth is... Something started it... Pick your myth... (haha, Riddle... )

... Ok. sure, we can all agree on that. But, saying it was created by some fancy unicorn doesn't make it true. Buddhists think it's foolish to dwell on the origins of the universe, because it doesn't matter.

Just because it didnt matter to them, does not mean it doesnt matter to others...

Im not a Buddhist, and they are not the ultimate autority...

So, the Greek and Romans didnt have tales of their Heros?

We call them myths now, but did they then?

Because they were wrong...

There is not right and wrong...

lol...

They were "right" for their time...

http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Philosophy/77980-The-Relativity-of-Wrong

The pyramids discuss RA and Anubis, and many others, are these historical facts, or myths?

How in depth are "the history books"? :laugh: Some stuff does get left out as "too outrageous" or "fictitious"....

The bible is an old book, is it a "history book"? It talks about the old world... It also talks about God..

And, it's wrong. Saying gods existed or God exists... it's just plain wrong. And, if you're right: YAY! You've picked the impossible needle from the haystack and come up with the right answer.

Like picking freaking lotto numbers to me.

Im guessing you mean the Bible is wrong?

I agree that it is not a history book, true...

But how about the historical account on the Egyptian Tombs?

Prolly like the bible is my opinion...

Primitive man, has primitive gods...

Modern man worships science... So I think...

Hahaha. Good points.

But, I am a Buddhist, and while it's not the ultimate authority (if you know Buddhists, we're always looking to disprove ourselves), I think it's important to note that a major worldview doesn't think the origin of the Universe matters.

Obviously Buddha had an insight as to why he wouldn't answer the question. Why would it matter? Because we cannot know. And spending all our time trying to know is like clawing on the concrete trying to get to China.

As for your remarks about the Bible and other such books, history was an oral tradition back then. The stories were more about entertainment and culture than scholarly idealism.

And for the idea of Modern Man worshiping science.

I agree that some people do! Some place their faith in existence on facts that they can see. Evolution to many people is God! It's the way it really happened. This is not myth, this is real. It's not an "oral" tradition. It's abstract fact.

I do not worship science. In fact, I was very bad at it in high school. But, I know through cultural contexts that science defines things in such a way that they are irrefutable unless they aren't AND THEN THEY SAY THEY MIGHT BE WRONG. Science loves to be proved wrong. I believe Christianity disdains questioning the authority of god, yes? (coming from a 20 year Christian)

RiddleNox: You are duplicating your words

If you believe big bang theory as a myth... then Evolution is one too! Some people believe that monkey slept today, and tomorrow woke up as man! can you believe it?

And science loves to be proved wrong, I agree. But scientists doesn't! Why? because they reached to their theory in this way :

They dreamed it,
They believed it, (it became a myth to them)
They proved it, (by facts that was accepted to all)
They heard someone saying it is wrong, (based on other facts)
They try to prove they are not wrong! (Hey THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR THEORY, One can not give his believe up easily)

and I think science without scientists, is like computer without CPU!

YES.


They dreamed it,
They believed it, (it became a myth to them)
They proved it, (by facts that was accepted to all)
They heard someone saying it is wrong, (based on other facts)
They try to prove they are not wrong! (Hey THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR THEORY, One can not give his believe up easily)

Now,

Myths:
They dreamed it,
They believed it,
THEY DID NOT PROVE IT.
But, they said it anyway.

-End of story. lol

I remember hearing this sentence, not sure where.

"The only one you should prove your believes to, is yourself"

Myth is a kind of believe... so....

my point was that science is a myth...

Yeah, and didn't I agree that it was too?

I think I misunderstood what you said then!