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Star Wars is Science-FANTASY? What is this madness!?
17 Jan 2013 15:19 #89853
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I've always thought that Star Wars is a classic and famous example of a "Science Fiction" movie. I've always referred to it as such, and to be honest, I think I'll continue to do so.
Yesterday was the first day of my second semester Science Fiction course (what fun!) and my nerdy "SF" teacher (he hates calling it "sci-fi") talks to all of us about science fiction in general, and we all have a good time.
During the discussion, I bring up Star Wars, and he tells me that Star Wars technically isn't a science fiction movie. WHAT? He tells me it's more of a "Science Fantasy" movie, primarily because it's not so much about hardcore pseudo-science as it is about faith in the Force (and religion, magic, and mysticism, in general). This actually makes good sense, although I've never thought about it like that before.
What do you all think? Is Star Wars Science Fiction or Science Fantasy? What makes it that? What's your opinion on calling it that? Any other comments?
Yesterday was the first day of my second semester Science Fiction course (what fun!) and my nerdy "SF" teacher (he hates calling it "sci-fi") talks to all of us about science fiction in general, and we all have a good time.
During the discussion, I bring up Star Wars, and he tells me that Star Wars technically isn't a science fiction movie. WHAT? He tells me it's more of a "Science Fantasy" movie, primarily because it's not so much about hardcore pseudo-science as it is about faith in the Force (and religion, magic, and mysticism, in general). This actually makes good sense, although I've never thought about it like that before.
What do you all think? Is Star Wars Science Fiction or Science Fantasy? What makes it that? What's your opinion on calling it that? Any other comments?
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17 Jan 2013 15:29 #89854
by MCSH
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Well, you can see starwars as an old pirate thing too....
George Lucas just changed "islands" to "planets" and "races" to "creatures" and pirates to "sith" and good guys to "Jedi" and...
It doesn't include modern things.... well it does, but not as much as some others....
George Lucas just changed "islands" to "planets" and "races" to "creatures" and pirates to "sith" and good guys to "Jedi" and...
It doesn't include modern things.... well it does, but not as much as some others....
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17 Jan 2013 15:40 #89856
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Science-fantasy is apt. It's in the same boat as Warhammer 40k in that respect.
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17 Jan 2013 15:40 #89857
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Star Wars hasn't always been classified as "science fantasy" but I believe that's only because the genre (which I consider a sub-genre of science fiction) didn't always exist. It does make sense that it would be classified that way, and I agree...science fantasy all the way.
I don't think it's as simple as a lack of pseudo-science and an inclusion of the force and jedi/sith...although that's definately a huge part of the reason for the classification. I agree with sajjad in that SW definitely has a swashbuckling element, and if you replace the space ships, planets, and laserguns/swords, with more medieval equivalents you'll be watching the movie "Dragonslayer" instead...or some other such obviously fantasy genre movie. There are other considerations as well...but I think we've about covered the "big" ones already.
I don't think it's as simple as a lack of pseudo-science and an inclusion of the force and jedi/sith...although that's definately a huge part of the reason for the classification. I agree with sajjad in that SW definitely has a swashbuckling element, and if you replace the space ships, planets, and laserguns/swords, with more medieval equivalents you'll be watching the movie "Dragonslayer" instead...or some other such obviously fantasy genre movie. There are other considerations as well...but I think we've about covered the "big" ones already.
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17 Jan 2013 15:45 #89859
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I love the idea that the future is going to bring back melee weaponry. ^^
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17 Jan 2013 16:10 #89863
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It does stand to reason that shipboard combat would require a less destructive weapon than one could use outside the vessel...and that would lead to the use of melee weapons, at least aboard ship.
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17 Jan 2013 16:27 #89865
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Technically it's actually a Space Opera.
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17 Jan 2013 16:58 - 17 Jan 2013 17:50 #89871
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17 Jan 2013 22:09 - 17 Jan 2013 22:10 #89937
by Adder
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If using the genre definition of
fantasy
it seems to become like a double negative sort of thing to me ie; science fantasy = scientific supernatural
I think there is enough in the movies to hold it up on its own without the supernatural Force. For its time it had a lot of scifi bang for its buck. I like the psychology definition for fantasy more then the genre definition, so using that I'm going to answer its both!?
I think there is enough in the movies to hold it up on its own without the supernatural Force. For its time it had a lot of scifi bang for its buck. I like the psychology definition for fantasy more then the genre definition, so using that I'm going to answer its both!?
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17 Jan 2013 22:18 #89941
by ren
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Star Wars is a space opera.
Star trek used to be science fiction, but now that I see lithium used as power source in the real world, I think there isn't much of it that's actually fictional
Star trek used to be science fiction, but now that I see lithium used as power source in the real world, I think there isn't much of it that's actually fictional
Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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