Funny...but in a Learn_To_Know kind of way

Let us please stay on topic.

"fallen so far" is from her point of view. And if the two of you do not have a common frame of reference then any debate would be pointless. You could try to explain what it is your views are. Perhaps if you both can be willing to at least see the others side, an understanding can be reached.

I am of the opinion that one should always try to get along with ones family. And often when we teach it helps us to become better acquainted with the material.

Wescli Wardest wrote: Let us please stay on topic.

"fallen so far" is from her point of view. And if the two of you do not have a common frame of reference then any debate would be pointless. You could try to explain what it is your views are. Perhaps if you both can be willing to at least see the others side, an understanding can be reached.

I am of the opinion that one should always try to get along with ones family. And often when we teach it helps us to become better acquainted with the material.

Agreed

Jestor wrote: My mom is Baptist, Dad was Catholic...

My parents let me choose my religious path... I was always seeking Dad's approval, so I went with the Catholic outwardly...

Didn't stick though....

I told my mom I was a Jedi, she looked at me and said, "well, OK"...

We discussed it a bit more, and that was that....

Dad and I never really got along.... Till the end, I wish he was still here so I could tell him about this Jedi stuff...

I wasn't allowed to choose my religious path. But I will let my own sons choose.

I haven't told my parents yet that I'm a believer in Jediism. They're too dogmatic in their own religion and I'd rather not (for the time being) ruffle their feathers more than I already have.

I've told several others and (except for my wife, who has since come around) some are getting interested themselves the more I talk about it.

Wescli Wardest wrote:
"fallen so far" is from her point of view. And if the two of you do not have a common frame of reference then any debate would be pointless. You could try to explain what it is your views are. Perhaps if you both can be willing to at least see the others side, an understanding can be reached.

I am of the opinion that one should always try to get along with ones family. And often when we teach it helps us to become better acquainted with the material.

Oh I know what you're saying here. I didn't give much of a back story to the "humor" part of my post, but I agree completely to what you've said.

Titus 3:5 states... "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."
Ephesians 2:8,9 we are told, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Romans 4:5 reads, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

lol In the bible it says that once you have REALLY accepted Christ, you cannot fall from grace! "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD" Romans 3:23 This is doctrine taught in the church. Yet, some choose to ignore it as people who don't read the bible tend to do. You cannot fall from grace! You can stray off a chosen path in loo of another one.. But the doctrine teaches that once you have... REALLY accepted Christ, you are on a path towards Him!! As long as you were... REALLY SAVED... what the hell does that mean.. Did you give your heart to Christ and only Christ? Or did you give your heart to an idea that there is a power greater than yourself and that you yourself are imperfect enough to seek a better balance with yourself?
Galatians 5:4
For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.
Sometimes believing only in the doctrine or a limited interpretation of it is less like Christ than some would like to think!

@ Planet of Chaos

That's kind of an Evangelical/Protestant way of looking at it. The LDS/Mormon interpretation is a little bit (some might say a lot) different than that.

One of the scriptures in the Mormon canon (and in the Temple's library) reads like this; "For we know it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do."

So you see, there is no such thing as once saved, always saved in my old faith. It's highly dependent on trying and working at being righteous. And although Mormons wouldn't say your works or righteousness save you, they would save it qualifies or makes you worthy to be saved.

Oh yeah.. forgot! Mormon! lol I just got up on my anti-evangelical soap box as if I was defending my own reasons for becoming a Jedi.. not really helping you in the process lol.. Sorry! I know a few who have decided to not follow the Mormon faith and their relatives think this is just the worst thing EVER! Some relatives won't even talk to them! Problem is, I've read the Mormon bible, as have my friends, and they (as would I) have lots of questions.. Seems the questions aren't all that welcome! So painful, I feel it is for a Mormon to go against the will of the family, being that family is the central focus.. I can imagine it more painful for anyone in the Mormon faith to see someone leave as it gives less and less validity to the Mormon way of life... Though it doesn't manifest as that particular concern.. Do you feel any that resonating with you?

I grew up Mormon/LDS too. I left the church when I was 17 to figure out what the truth was. I was always told that I needed to have faith whenever I asked a question. I may be a person who is blind, but I don't practice blind faith. Smile. My family was very upset that I left. The Mormons believe in the sealing of the family. This means that people go to the temple to get married and their children are bonded to them for eternity. So when a Mormon leaves the church, people believe that person is saying they wish to be cut off from the family unit. About a month ago, my grandmother called the missionaries to ask them to come to my house and talk to me about rejoining the church. Yikes. What was fun was that I took seminary when I was a high school student and know a lot about the Mormon doctrine. I sent them home to do more research a few times which was fun. I think it'd be really funny too if my parents had asked me if I'd fallen so far. My parents drink beer and margueritas and my sisters are both single parents. It's pretty nuts. Anyway, I should probably take the same adfice you're getting on the subject as, even though my family doesn't follow some major tenets of the religion, they are insistent that I do. LOL. Anyway, may the Force be with us always.
Leena

@ Planet of Chaos

I have heard others speak of bad experiences when their family was told/found out they left the Mormon Faith. Generally, I haven't had to deal with that. Just some comments every now and again that expresses their displeasure.

This is part of the trials...I'll get through it unscathed.

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