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OB1Shinobi wrote: some situations are especially difficult, and potentially dangerous, to navigate on the fly
how to help someone who is suicidal is one of them
this article addresses that issue
Warning: Spoiler!The World Health Organization estimates that approximately 1 million people die each year from suicide. What drives so many individuals to take their own lives? To those not in the grips of suicidal depression and despair, it's difficult to understand what drives so many individuals to take their own lives. But a suicidal person is in so much pain that he or she can see no other option.
Suicide is a desperate attempt to escape suffering that has become unbearable. Blinded by feelings of self-loathing, hopelessness, and isolation, a suicidal person can't see any way of finding relief except through death. But despite their desire for the pain to stop, most suicidal people are deeply conflicted about ending their own lives. They wish there was an alternative to committing suicide, but they just can't see one.
Common misconceptions about suicide
FALSE: People who talk about suicide won't really do it.
Almost everyone who commits or attempts suicide has given some clue or warning. Do not ignore suicide threats. Statements like "you'll be sorry when I'm dead," "I can't see any way out," — no matter how casually or jokingly said, may indicate serious suicidal feelings.
FALSE: Anyone who tries to kill him/herself must be crazy.
Most suicidal people are not psychotic or insane. They must be upset, grief-stricken, depressed or despairing, but extreme distress and emotional pain are not necessarily signs of mental illness.
FALSE: If a person is determined to kill him/herself, nothing is going to stop them.
Even the most severely depressed person has mixed feelings about death, wavering until the very last moment between wanting to live and wanting to die. Most suicidal people do not want death; they want the pain to stop. The impulse to end it all, however overpowering, does not last forever.
FALSE: People who commit suicide are people who were unwilling to seek help.
Studies of suicide victims have shown that more than half had sought medical help in the six months prior to their deaths.
FALSE: Talking about suicide may give someone the idea.
You don't give a suicidal person morbid ideas by talking about suicide. The opposite is true—bringing up the subject of suicide and discussing it openly is one of the most helpful things you can do.
Source: SAVE – Suicide Awareness Voices of Education
Warning signs of suicide
Take any suicidal talk or behavior seriously. It's not just a warning sign that the person is thinking about suicide—it's a cry for help.
Most suicidal individuals give warning signs or signals of their intentions. The best way to prevent suicide is to recognize these warning signs and know how to respond if you spot them. If you believe that a friend or family member is suicidal, you can play a role in suicide prevention by pointing out the alternatives, showing that you care, and getting a doctor or psychologist involved.
Major warning signs for suicide include talking about killing or harming oneself, talking or writing a lot about death or dying, and seeking out things that could be used in a suicide attempt, such as weapons and drugs. These signals are even more dangerous if the person has a mood disorder such as depression or bipolar disorder, suffers from alcohol dependence, has previously attempted suicide, or has a family history of suicide.
A more subtle but equally dangerous warning sign of suicide is hopelessness. Studies have found that hopelessness is a strong predictor of suicide. People who feel hopeless may talk about "unbearable" feelings, predict a bleak future, and state that they have nothing to look forward to.
Other warning signs that point to a suicidal mind frame include dramatic mood swings or sudden personality changes, such as going from outgoing to withdrawn or well-behaved to rebellious. A suicidal person may also lose interest in day-to-day activities, neglect his or her appearance, and show big changes in eating or sleeping habits.
Suicide Warning Signs
Talking about suicide
Any talk about suicide, dying, or self-harm, such as "I wish I hadn't been born," "If I see you again..." and "I'd be better off dead."
Seeking out lethal means
Seeking access to guns, pills, knives, or other objects that could be used in a suicide attempt.
Preoccupation with death
Unusual focus on death, dying, or violence. Writing poems or stories about death.
No hope for the future
Feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, and being trapped ("There's no way out"). Belief that things will never get better or change.
Self-loathing, self-hatred
Feelings of worthlessness, guilt, shame, and self-hatred. Feeling like a burden ("Everyone would be better off without me").
Getting affairs in order
Making out a will. Giving away prized possessions. Making arrangements for family members.
Saying goodbye
Unusual or unexpected visits or calls to family and friends. Saying goodbye to people as if they won't be seen again.
Withdrawing from others
Withdrawing from friends and family. Increasing social isolation. Desire to be left alone.
Self-destructive behavior
Increased alcohol or drug use, reckless driving, unsafe sex. Taking unnecessary risks as if they have a "death wish."
Sudden sense of calm
A sudden sense of calm and happiness after being extremely depressed can mean that the person has made a decision to commit suicide.
Suicide prevention tip #1: Speak up if you’re worried
If you spot the warning signs of suicide in someone you care about, you may wonder if it’s a good idea to say anything. What if you’re wrong? What if the person gets angry? In such situations, it's natural to feel uncomfortable or afraid. But anyone who talks about suicide or shows other warning signs needs immediate help—the sooner the better.
Talking to a person about suicide
Talking to a friend or family member about their suicidal thoughts and feelings can be extremely difficult for anyone. But if you're unsure whether someone is suicidal, the best way to find out is to ask. You can't make a person suicidal by showing that you care. In fact, giving a suicidal person the opportunity to express his or her feelings can provide relief from loneliness and pent-up negative feelings, and may prevent a suicide attempt.
Ways to start a conversation about suicide:
I have been feeling concerned about you lately.
Recently, I have noticed some differences in you and wondered how you are doing.
I wanted to check in with you because you haven’t seemed yourself lately.
Questions you can ask:
When did you begin feeling like this?
Did something happen that made you start feeling this way?
How can I best support you right now?
Have you thought about getting help?
What you can say that helps:
You are not alone in this. I’m here for you.
You may not believe it now, but the way you’re feeling will change.
I may not be able to understand exactly how you feel, but I care about you and want to help.
When you want to give up, tell yourself you will hold off for just one more day, hour, minute—whatever you can manage.
When talking to a suicidal person
Do:
Be yourself. Let the person know you care, that he/she is not alone. The right words are often unimportant. If you are concerned, your voice and manner will show it.
Listen. Let the suicidal person unload despair, ventilate anger. No matter how negative the conversation seems, the fact that it exists is a positive sign.
Be sympathetic, non-judgmental, patient, calm, accepting. Your friend or family member is doing the right thing by talking about his/her feelings.
Offer hope. Reassure the person that help is available and that the suicidal feelings are temporary. Let the person know that his or her life is important to you.
If the person says things like, “I’m so depressed, I can’t go on,” ask the question: “Are you having thoughts of suicide?” You are not putting ideas in their head, you are showing that you are concerned, that you take them seriously, and that it’s OK for them to share their pain with you.
But don’t:
Argue with the suicidal person. Avoid saying things like: "You have so much to live for," "Your suicide will hurt your family," or “Look on the bright side.”
Act shocked, lecture on the value of life, or say that suicide is wrong.
Promise confidentiality. Refuse to be sworn to secrecy. A life is at stake and you may need to speak to a mental health professional in order to keep the suicidal person safe. If you promise to keep your discussions secret, you may have to break your word.
Offer ways to fix their problems, or give advice, or make them feel like they have to justify their suicidal feelings. It is not about how bad the problem is, but how badly it’s hurting your friend or loved one.
Blame yourself. You can’t “fix” someone’s depression. Your loved one’s happiness, or lack thereof, is not your responsibility.
Adapted from: Metanoia.org
Suicide prevention tip #2: Respond quickly in a crisis
If a friend or family member tells you that he or she is thinking about death or suicide, it's important to evaluate the immediate danger the person is in. Those at the highest risk for committing suicide in the near future have a specific suicide PLAN, the MEANS to carry out the plan, a TIME SET for doing it, and an INTENTION to do it.
Level of Suicide Risk
Low – Some suicidal thoughts. No suicide plan. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
Moderate – Suicidal thoughts. Vague plan that isn't very lethal. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
High – Suicidal thoughts. Specific plan that is highly lethal. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
Severe – Suicidal thoughts. Specific plan that is highly lethal. Says he or she will commit suicide.
The following questions can help you assess the immediate risk for suicide:
Do you have a suicide plan? (PLAN)
Do you have what you need to carry out your plan (pills, gun, etc.)? (MEANS)
Do you know when you would do it? (TIME SET)
Do you intend to commit suicide? (INTENTION)
If a suicide attempt seems imminent, call a local crisis center, dial 911, or take the person to an emergency room. Remove guns, drugs, knives, and other potentially lethal objects from the vicinity but do not, under any circumstances, leave a suicidal person alone.
Suicide prevention tip #3: Offer help and support
If a friend or family member is suicidal, the best way to help is by offering an empathetic, listening ear. Let your loved one know that he or she is not alone and that you care. Don't take responsibility, however, for making your loved one well. You can offer support, but you can't get better for a suicidal person. He or she has to make a personal commitment to recovery.
It takes a lot of courage to help someone who is suicidal. Witnessing a loved one dealing with thoughts about ending his or her own life can stir up many difficult emotions. As you're helping a suicidal person, don't forget to take care of yourself. Find someone that you trust—a friend, family member, clergyman, or counselor—to talk to about your feelings and get support of your own.
Helping a suicidal person:
Get professional help. Do everything in your power to get a suicidal person the help he or she needs. Call a crisis line for advice and referrals. Encourage the person to see a mental health professional, help locate a treatment facility, or take them to a doctor's appointment.
Follow-up on treatment. If the doctor prescribes medication, make sure your friend or loved one takes it as directed. Be aware of possible side effects and be sure to notify the physician if the person seems to be getting worse. It often takes time and persistence to find the medication or therapy that’s right for a particular person.
Be proactive. Those contemplating suicide often don't believe they can be helped, so you may have to be more proactive at offering assistance. Saying, “Call me if you need anything” is too vague. Don’t wait for the person to call you or even to return your calls. Drop by, call again, invite the person out.
Encourage positive lifestyle changes, such as a healthy diet, plenty of sleep, and getting out in the sun or into nature for at least 30 minutes each day. Exercise is also extremely important as it releases endorphins, relieves stress, and promotes emotional well-being.
Make a safety plan. Help the person develop a set of steps he or she promises to follow during a suicidal crisis. It should identify any triggers that may lead to a suicidal crisis, such as an anniversary of a loss, alcohol, or stress from relationships. Also include contact numbers for the person's doctor or therapist, as well as friends and family members who will help in an emergency.
Remove potential means of suicide, such as pills, knives, razors, or firearms. If the person is likely to take an overdose, keep medications locked away or give out only as the person needs them.
Continue your support over the long haul. Even after the immediate suicidal crisis has passed, stay in touch with the person, periodically checking in or dropping by. Your support is vital to ensure your friend or loved one remains on the recovery track.
link to full article
http://www.helpguide.org/articles/suicide-prevention/suicide-prevention-helping-someone-who-is-suicidal.htm
I agree completely, one should not react without the knowledge required to successfully navigate their situation, but that is why Jedi train mind and body, no? Sure, it's impossible to be prepared for everything, but preparedness can be something as simple as contacting someone who can help better than yourself.
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I'd also say that just as with any discussion, I feel we should strive to have an open mind and embrace all of the wisdom that each individual and their own experiences has to offer.
I personally approach pain and stress with the mindset of one treating an injury. While you cannot run again right away on a broken leg, you give it time to rest and heal, then start to exercise and use it again. Acknowledging pain and stress is very important, as if we don't treat it properly it can drown even the most stalwart individual.
From meditation, to herbs, or even my favorite... a super hot bubble bath, surrounded by candles, with a cup of fresh tea and a great book. Take the time to do what you need to do to aid recovery, and then start working those 'muscles' once again. Take a run, speak with a friend, family member, therapist or even doctor.
I hope everyone else has gained some tools for their own journey through this discussion!
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Rickie wrote: Life is full of pain and stress. It sucks. Deal with it or be buried by it. Your choice. Don' t be whiny.
That's a pretty darn simplistic view of things. I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion of things, but not only is that sort of comment just plain annoying for most people with chronic illnesses (or, frankly, anyone trying to cope with pain and stress, chronic or not), but it's also presented in the statement format, and therefore as fact, when in reality there's no basis for believing it to be fact. At any rate, if you can believe in that sort of thing and it honestly helps you deal with whatever you're going through... bully for you, but it's trite and inconsiderate when just directed randomly at people who may not share your particular worldview and are doing the best that they can to deal with the issues they're facing.
We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away. -- J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon 5
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i started writng this before Locksleys comment was there, if that makes any difference
what i am hoping to achieve with this topic is a sort of collection of "tools" so to speak, which people have found useful in their own lives
"dont be a baby" IS appropriate, sometimes, for some situations
but very often it does not meet the task of really being USEFUL, or ACTIONABLE for people in pain, and actuallybmakes them feel worse
in the worst of cases "dont be a baby" could even get someone killed, because its a very lonely and cold answer for someone who is really miserable
if someone is in a hole, theyre already aware of the solution "dont be in that hole"
now, Kit basically said the same thing, "dont be a baby"
but!
she also shared the context of how it actually worked and made sense for her in her life and her family responsibilities
so i would like to ask; has there been anything in particular that you can recall which has helped you transition through the pain youve experienced in your life?
if your words now had the power to travel back in time and come to you in some of your darker moments, what would you tell yourself?
People are complicated.
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That's a pretty darn simplistic view of things. I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion of things, but not only is that sort of comment just plain annoying for most people with chronic illnesses (or, frankly, anyone trying to cope with pain and stress, chronic or not)
Yes it is simple. Most solutions are. People and emotion makes things complex.
if you can believe in that sort of thing and it honestly helps you deal with whatever you're going through... bully for you,
Thank you and that is how I'm dealing with my situations. STRENGTH of spirit in what I'm all about.
it's trite and inconsiderate when just directed randomly at people who may not share your particular worldview and are doing the best that they can to deal with the issues they're facing.
A questioned was asked and I answered it honestly. It's not directly at anyone. If more people shared my view I think they would be victors not victims.
what i am hoping to achieve with this topic is a sort of collection of "tools"
This is my tool. Strength of spirit. You get it by practicing it!
so i would like to ask; has there been anything in particular that you can recall which has helped you transition through the pain youve experienced in your life?
if your words now had the power to travel back in time and come to you in some of your darker moments, what would you tell yourself?
My life has been filled with challenging situations and events. I could have dealt with them better back then. I survived the best I could. I got valuable experience and lessons. That's how I found strength.
so i would like to ask; has there been anything in particular that you can recall which has helped you transition through the pain youve experienced in your life?
I did.... sorry you don't like it.
Now if you've read this far...... I've had more than my share of: death, disability, family trauma, depression, I have three disabilities and live with chronic pain and fatigue DAILY!
Life is full of pain and stress. It sucks. Deal with it or be buried by it. Your choice. Don' t be whiny
This Is What I Do!
Sure glad I came here?
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I cannot say that I handle either one any better than anyone else. But, I do have a friend, Jestor, that has listened to my rants on more than one occasion.


But seriously, I would try talking with someone, doing something physical or meditating before snacking. Try.

As to pain. Not to sound mellow dramatic, but I live in pain. Every day. From when I wake till I sleep. Sometimes it’s strained muscles, old injuries, and arthritis, blown out knees, spasms, sinuses or just my eyes hurting from being awake too long. All except the arthritis is self-inflicted; due to a hard life of not being as careful or practicing the best injury prevention I could. Sure, I can blame a good deal of it on military service or manual labor at different jobs. But these are all things I chose at some point.
How do I deal with it? Aspirin, Stretching, hot or cold compresses, Naproxen, resting, Hydrocodone, wraps, hot showers, more stretching, getting Tiger Balm rubbed on (because of the wonderful people in my life that love me enough to take the time to do that) and good old fashion sucking it up and dealing with it. I wrote that sentence in the order I did to be amusing, but I honestly try to use drugs as little as possible. And only those that I have a prescription for. The sad thing is that my knees are so bad I have unlimited refills for some things that I just don’t like. (makes me loopy)
I heard something the other day that I found rather amusing and when I’m hurting and there is really nothing to be done about it at that point I tell it to myself… I look at myself, mentally, and say, “Geeze, really!?!??! Have a cup of concrete and harden up there buddy!”
Hahahhahha :laugh:
None of these are perfect. And for each person pain is different. I would suggest that whether it be pain or stress, talk to someone. Be it a dear friend or a doctor. And try to find a solution that may best work for you.
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I have done martial arts a long time, and it exacts a price if your training and sparring hard, no matter how careful you want to be.
Both shoulders, the left especially, sever limited ROM in left ankle due to a toe hold, tweaked elbows, in fact all my joints at this point click and grind. My fingers are swollen and have been broken, as well as toes.Such is the life of decades of MA and strength training.
Heres what the hands of top level BJJ fighters look like, and mine, while not this bad, are not too far off.
Tape helps. shoulder brace on the left shoulder. Tapping earilier than I did in my 20s helps a ton.
My body is constantly bruised, muscles are sore(especially as I strength train on top of the MA)
Like Wescli, I stretch, foam roll, hang, squat, massage, chiropractor, fish oil, ibuprophen,etc,etc.
Still, I deal with a constant level of discomfort due to my passion, and the only real way to avoid it, is to avoid doing what I love, although, at this point it will not get rid of the pain I have right now.
I deal with it. Nothing more to be done for it, and actually moving and exercise helps, to stop, would be worse right now.
The funny part, is that I am still in better shape and more physically capable than most anyone I come into contact with outside my social circle. Due to lifestyle, as I am constantly active, keep to a strict diet, and have developed a mid to high level of mental toughness.
Nut up or shut up may seem callous, or annoying, but I am in no way a stranger to chronic pain.
Stress, again, hard sparring and training in MA has helped a ton for that. I sweat it out, and grind it out on the mats 6 to 8 times a week. I talk with my wife of 19 years. I swear. Haha, really, it helps to just yell @$%$#!!!! as loud as you can sometimes. Sometimes I cry. Play with my son. Sit in silence, read a book. Sometimes I fall into uncontrollable laughter at it all. My job, in which people are constantly dying, in pain, etc, keeps my problems in stark perspective in regards to what others may be suffering and checks my pettiness.
My method is not really trying to force method and just let it vent out in whatever way and form it will.
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My moods are cyclical and there are some days like today when it doesn't matter what you say to me, there isn't really any coping going on... I get up, I go to work, I sit there for 8 1/5 hours then I go home.. but I'm not really there, I'm vacant.. and the only reason I get through the day is because I have enough will to move myself. I know that time moves whether or not I do, so I move. But, while they are appreciated, no supportive words, no funny videos or pep talks are ultimately going to change how I feel, and I will, and do, cry at the stupidest things.
I'm pretty good at hiding it online, so sometimes the person with the smiley faces or upbeat words is not a true reflection of the person behind the keyboard. There is no 'getting over it' until the mood has passed...
On normal days I create processes that help with the bad things.. phrases that give me support, I find meaning in what I do so the pain or stress doesn't matter so much, or I look to those I love for support.
But be clear, 'get over it' is not always a reasonable response, and sometimes not at all possible.
It won't let me have a blank signature ...
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