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12 Nov 2015 19:25 - 12 Nov 2015 19:31 #208675
by OB1Shinobi
People are complicated.
Coping with Pain and Stress was created by OB1Shinobi
The idea of this thread is for those who are interested to share methods weve used for facing the pain and stress of life
this can range from "a cup of green tea when im blue" to "i was still in prison when when my mother died, and this was how i got through it"
there have been several topics recently where people have expressed serious stress and pain in their lives
i am hoping to get a conversation going that will result in a sort of informational resource for the community of ways of coping.
to be honest, ive never handled the more tragic events in my life very well
my family was torn apart when i was pretty young, then rebuilt, then torn apart again, then rebuilt, and then torn apart again
these incidents involved addiction, physical violence, sexual abuse, illness, and death
no one in the fall out really had the tools to cope with these things, or to help the rest of us cope
certainly i didnt, and my "mechanisms" amounted to the development of childhood neurosis, and eventually, substance abuse
this really didnt work out well for me; the mistakes i have made have cost me A LOT in the way of quality relationships and personal development and professional advancement - i was well over 30 before i figured out that my life really is valuable, that if i am willing to make a genuine effort at it, i have something valuable to offer to the world, and that i am even CAPABLE of making a way for myself - really and truly the word HOPELESS best described how i felt about myself and my life for a very long time
here are a few ideas that i have discovered or come up with which make a huge difference in my ability to deal with tragedy in an effective way - and by "EFFECTIVE" i mean that i survive it with a minimum of destructive or self destructive binges
no particular order to these, im just kind of throwing stuff out there as it comes to me:
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i had to learnt o accept peoples compliments
its easy for me to have a very demeaning self image and very degrading self talk
when people compliment me i always have felt uncomfortable
i wouldnt believe them, and i felt like what i was being told was just to make me feel better
even when i knew that i was being told something true, i told myself i was not really "anything special" - "anyone" could or would be/do whatever if in the same position
main things ive had to accept is that people are actually telling the truth as they see it when they give compliments, and also that these people arent just stupid morons who dont know "the real me"
when someone tells us something good about us it is because they see that there are good things to say about us
i still have a hard time with certain kinds of compliments, but generally speaking, now i just say "thank you" and i mean it - i allow myself to accept that they are being sincere and that maybe i really can be ___ (whatever it was that they said) even if only a little bit, for only a little while
--
i INVEST in myself - partly this means that i take care of myself as best as i can by eating somewhat intelligently and by working out
but most especially, what i mean by this is that i am actively pursuing specific goals which, even without successfully achieving them, will enrich me as a person for the experience
coincidentally, the things i am pursuing which will enrich me are also things that i really enjoy - i invest in myself and "follow my bliss" at the same time, by pursuing the fields and subjects that most interest me, to whatever extent i am able to pursue them
(in my case, working out is part of one of those fields, and eating right is part of working out, so that makes the general fitness "easier" for me, in the sense that it goes along with my "bliss")
i literally made a list of things that i really ant to be involved with, written out on paper, and then went to figuring out how to do something, ANYTHING, to pursuing at least half of the things on it
the internet has been a big help in this
--
even if i am not any good at it, i am committed to BEING THERE to help others who need me
having high self criticism and low self love, i have downplayed the positive effect that ive been able to have on others at different times in life
now i realize that there have been and will continue to be moments when i am the only one who is there, or the only one who is interested, or available, and that has been and especially that IT WILL BE - ME - who helps another person get through something really tough, really painful, really scary
i have a standing commitment to BE THERE, because someone else needs me, even if i dont see them right this second and even if i dont feel i am useful
in fact, none of "my" feelings of inadequacy or melancholy give me the right to NOT BE THERE for that other person who needs me
--
i recently learned about the idea of "the inner defense attorney"
i know that a lot of us have a real steady barrage of self criticism - like being very quick to put ourselves on trial for EVERY DAMN THING THAT WE DO
there are times when i cant make it into and then back out of out of the gas station without reminding myself of how stupid i am, and how unattractive i am, and how i am basically have never been or done anything worthwhile, and am never going to do or be to anything worth while
all kinds of stuff might set this off - im constantly on the look out for what ive done wrong and for how i dont measure up
so this inner defense attorney is basically a conscious choice to do the exact same thing, except in reverse
instead of telling myself how horrible i am, i tell myself "maybe its no big deal that i made this mistake" or "maybe its actually NORMAL to feel awkward when talking to certain people"
or "maybe in spite of all my short comings and weaknesses and faults, i actually can do a lot more good than harm in this world, maybe i can achieve something im proud of, and maybe all these little difficulties are worth that"
what this has turned into for me is that i have learned to catch myself - i will start to put myself down and i will (more often at least) realize that regardless of any accuracy to my criticism, which i dont even have any need to consider when it happens in this context, the REAL problem here is that i have a HABIT (like in the sense of an addiction or compulsion) of just being critical for its own sake, and so my JEDI DISCIPLINE now is to talk to myself the way i would talk to someone else
i would never tell someone how stupid and worthless they are because they forgot their wallet (or purse or whatever) when they left the house, or because they told a joke that no one else thinks is funny
the idea is not to delude oneself or deny areas that need work, the idea is to get the self defeating talk under control
as long as i am deliberately hurting myself, whatever means i use to do it is incorrect
so instead, the inner defense attorney is used to defend and to nurture and to encourage, and it is a conscious choice and discipline
---
when i feel sad i just let myself be sad - i dont encourage it or actively put myself down or wallow in it, but basically i guess ive learned that pain happens and it sucks but it doesnt mean anything is WRONG - it just means im in a bad mood, so, fine, Ill be in a bad mood if thats what it is and eventually i will be in a good mood, and btw, when the good mood happens i will allow myself to feel it as well --
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so these are some of the main things that have helped me to deal with life
im not putting this out here for anyone to tell me what a great job im doing lol
these ideas have really helped me and i know that something in this can help someone else, and even more than just my little part of the story, i am really interested to hear from you as well (yes YOU) because i know that there is a wealth of experience and perspective here, and my hope is that by sharing, we all benefit
this can range from "a cup of green tea when im blue" to "i was still in prison when when my mother died, and this was how i got through it"
there have been several topics recently where people have expressed serious stress and pain in their lives
i am hoping to get a conversation going that will result in a sort of informational resource for the community of ways of coping.
to be honest, ive never handled the more tragic events in my life very well
my family was torn apart when i was pretty young, then rebuilt, then torn apart again, then rebuilt, and then torn apart again
these incidents involved addiction, physical violence, sexual abuse, illness, and death
no one in the fall out really had the tools to cope with these things, or to help the rest of us cope
certainly i didnt, and my "mechanisms" amounted to the development of childhood neurosis, and eventually, substance abuse
this really didnt work out well for me; the mistakes i have made have cost me A LOT in the way of quality relationships and personal development and professional advancement - i was well over 30 before i figured out that my life really is valuable, that if i am willing to make a genuine effort at it, i have something valuable to offer to the world, and that i am even CAPABLE of making a way for myself - really and truly the word HOPELESS best described how i felt about myself and my life for a very long time
here are a few ideas that i have discovered or come up with which make a huge difference in my ability to deal with tragedy in an effective way - and by "EFFECTIVE" i mean that i survive it with a minimum of destructive or self destructive binges
no particular order to these, im just kind of throwing stuff out there as it comes to me:
--
i had to learnt o accept peoples compliments
its easy for me to have a very demeaning self image and very degrading self talk
when people compliment me i always have felt uncomfortable
i wouldnt believe them, and i felt like what i was being told was just to make me feel better
even when i knew that i was being told something true, i told myself i was not really "anything special" - "anyone" could or would be/do whatever if in the same position
main things ive had to accept is that people are actually telling the truth as they see it when they give compliments, and also that these people arent just stupid morons who dont know "the real me"
when someone tells us something good about us it is because they see that there are good things to say about us
i still have a hard time with certain kinds of compliments, but generally speaking, now i just say "thank you" and i mean it - i allow myself to accept that they are being sincere and that maybe i really can be ___ (whatever it was that they said) even if only a little bit, for only a little while
--
i INVEST in myself - partly this means that i take care of myself as best as i can by eating somewhat intelligently and by working out
but most especially, what i mean by this is that i am actively pursuing specific goals which, even without successfully achieving them, will enrich me as a person for the experience
coincidentally, the things i am pursuing which will enrich me are also things that i really enjoy - i invest in myself and "follow my bliss" at the same time, by pursuing the fields and subjects that most interest me, to whatever extent i am able to pursue them
(in my case, working out is part of one of those fields, and eating right is part of working out, so that makes the general fitness "easier" for me, in the sense that it goes along with my "bliss")
i literally made a list of things that i really ant to be involved with, written out on paper, and then went to figuring out how to do something, ANYTHING, to pursuing at least half of the things on it
the internet has been a big help in this
--
even if i am not any good at it, i am committed to BEING THERE to help others who need me
having high self criticism and low self love, i have downplayed the positive effect that ive been able to have on others at different times in life
now i realize that there have been and will continue to be moments when i am the only one who is there, or the only one who is interested, or available, and that has been and especially that IT WILL BE - ME - who helps another person get through something really tough, really painful, really scary
i have a standing commitment to BE THERE, because someone else needs me, even if i dont see them right this second and even if i dont feel i am useful
in fact, none of "my" feelings of inadequacy or melancholy give me the right to NOT BE THERE for that other person who needs me
--
i recently learned about the idea of "the inner defense attorney"
i know that a lot of us have a real steady barrage of self criticism - like being very quick to put ourselves on trial for EVERY DAMN THING THAT WE DO
there are times when i cant make it into and then back out of out of the gas station without reminding myself of how stupid i am, and how unattractive i am, and how i am basically have never been or done anything worthwhile, and am never going to do or be to anything worth while
all kinds of stuff might set this off - im constantly on the look out for what ive done wrong and for how i dont measure up
so this inner defense attorney is basically a conscious choice to do the exact same thing, except in reverse
instead of telling myself how horrible i am, i tell myself "maybe its no big deal that i made this mistake" or "maybe its actually NORMAL to feel awkward when talking to certain people"
or "maybe in spite of all my short comings and weaknesses and faults, i actually can do a lot more good than harm in this world, maybe i can achieve something im proud of, and maybe all these little difficulties are worth that"
what this has turned into for me is that i have learned to catch myself - i will start to put myself down and i will (more often at least) realize that regardless of any accuracy to my criticism, which i dont even have any need to consider when it happens in this context, the REAL problem here is that i have a HABIT (like in the sense of an addiction or compulsion) of just being critical for its own sake, and so my JEDI DISCIPLINE now is to talk to myself the way i would talk to someone else
i would never tell someone how stupid and worthless they are because they forgot their wallet (or purse or whatever) when they left the house, or because they told a joke that no one else thinks is funny
the idea is not to delude oneself or deny areas that need work, the idea is to get the self defeating talk under control
as long as i am deliberately hurting myself, whatever means i use to do it is incorrect
so instead, the inner defense attorney is used to defend and to nurture and to encourage, and it is a conscious choice and discipline
---
when i feel sad i just let myself be sad - i dont encourage it or actively put myself down or wallow in it, but basically i guess ive learned that pain happens and it sucks but it doesnt mean anything is WRONG - it just means im in a bad mood, so, fine, Ill be in a bad mood if thats what it is and eventually i will be in a good mood, and btw, when the good mood happens i will allow myself to feel it as well --
--
so these are some of the main things that have helped me to deal with life
im not putting this out here for anyone to tell me what a great job im doing lol
these ideas have really helped me and i know that something in this can help someone else, and even more than just my little part of the story, i am really interested to hear from you as well (yes YOU) because i know that there is a wealth of experience and perspective here, and my hope is that by sharing, we all benefit
People are complicated.
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12 Nov 2015 19:40 - 12 Nov 2015 19:54 #208678
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Man up and deal with it.
Seriously......
I know that sounds blunt and overly insensitive but its the gods honest truth. Many of the Minor and Medium cases that causes us pain and stress in life are things we ALLOW to cause it. It's a mental acceptance because we feel it will get us somewhere. Feeling sorry about ourselves, feeling like, if we mope around enough someone will notice, feeling like your justified....
Get over it.
Believe me. I realize it isn't as easy as those brash words might sound but sometimes it take a good brash punch to the spirit to realize that the only way we are going to feel truly happy, truly content, truly in control and truly without stress and pain is the day that we step up and take control of ourselves.
This is a time when the "There is no emotion, There is peace." line really comes in handy.
After a long day of everything going wrong...my children put the cherry on top by breaking the screen of my ipad. I was really not emotionally focused that day and I knew repairs for such damage simply isn't in mine or my husbands pocket book. We can't afford this right now. Stress is at an all time high with the promise of it getting worse before bed.
It was only until I managed to take in a deep deep breath and say to myself "Get the F*** Over it. You knew the kids would break it one day. You knew it was a pricey fix. You KNEW it was a risk the moment you handed it over to little hands. Get over it, grow up, and move on."
Now. Of course I am not saying this fixes all things. Of course I am not saying it is the only solution. Of course I am not saying that some people have real stress's and real pains that require a more sensitive approach. Of course.
But for those seemingly large and common things that build up during every day common life that tends to over flow some days.....I find its better to simply and bluntly accept that - If I want to be happy and I want to be in control....I need to grow up and get over it.
And of course if that fails....A good hot, salt bath. Candle (Preferably apple cinnamon MmMmm) and a book always does the trick
Seriously......
I know that sounds blunt and overly insensitive but its the gods honest truth. Many of the Minor and Medium cases that causes us pain and stress in life are things we ALLOW to cause it. It's a mental acceptance because we feel it will get us somewhere. Feeling sorry about ourselves, feeling like, if we mope around enough someone will notice, feeling like your justified....
Get over it.
Believe me. I realize it isn't as easy as those brash words might sound but sometimes it take a good brash punch to the spirit to realize that the only way we are going to feel truly happy, truly content, truly in control and truly without stress and pain is the day that we step up and take control of ourselves.
This is a time when the "There is no emotion, There is peace." line really comes in handy.
After a long day of everything going wrong...my children put the cherry on top by breaking the screen of my ipad. I was really not emotionally focused that day and I knew repairs for such damage simply isn't in mine or my husbands pocket book. We can't afford this right now. Stress is at an all time high with the promise of it getting worse before bed.
It was only until I managed to take in a deep deep breath and say to myself "Get the F*** Over it. You knew the kids would break it one day. You knew it was a pricey fix. You KNEW it was a risk the moment you handed it over to little hands. Get over it, grow up, and move on."
Now. Of course I am not saying this fixes all things. Of course I am not saying it is the only solution. Of course I am not saying that some people have real stress's and real pains that require a more sensitive approach. Of course.
But for those seemingly large and common things that build up during every day common life that tends to over flow some days.....I find its better to simply and bluntly accept that - If I want to be happy and I want to be in control....I need to grow up and get over it.
And of course if that fails....A good hot, salt bath. Candle (Preferably apple cinnamon MmMmm) and a book always does the trick

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12 Nov 2015 20:17 #208683
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Depending on the situation, I agree with you Kitsu. There are many things that we let get to us that are small or even imaginary.
Even I catch myself getting bogged down with things that when I just take a minute and think about them I realize that they're mostly just in my head. For example, my comic book store frequently has issues with their supply, they get shorted a lot. I am one of their oldest customers so I am very rarely affected but this week they had to short me the comic that I was most looking forwards to getting. At first I was a little upset. On principle it was a stupid thing for them to do, but in reality what does it matter. Oh darn, I might have to wait a week or two to read the new Avengers comic (written by Mark Waid though so it'll be AWESOME!!!! :woohoo: ). Does that really affect my life any? No. Is it really worth getting upset over? No. So I let it go. When it arrives it arrives.
When I do catch myself getting worked up, regardless of the cause, there are a few things that I do to cope. I have a specific playlist of music that always calms me, a few movies and TV shows that are very soothing to me, riding my motorcycle, training with my sword, repeating the code and creed, stuff like that.
You might also be interested in this thread about calming triggers .
Even I catch myself getting bogged down with things that when I just take a minute and think about them I realize that they're mostly just in my head. For example, my comic book store frequently has issues with their supply, they get shorted a lot. I am one of their oldest customers so I am very rarely affected but this week they had to short me the comic that I was most looking forwards to getting. At first I was a little upset. On principle it was a stupid thing for them to do, but in reality what does it matter. Oh darn, I might have to wait a week or two to read the new Avengers comic (written by Mark Waid though so it'll be AWESOME!!!! :woohoo: ). Does that really affect my life any? No. Is it really worth getting upset over? No. So I let it go. When it arrives it arrives.
When I do catch myself getting worked up, regardless of the cause, there are a few things that I do to cope. I have a specific playlist of music that always calms me, a few movies and TV shows that are very soothing to me, riding my motorcycle, training with my sword, repeating the code and creed, stuff like that.
You might also be interested in this thread about calming triggers .
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12 Nov 2015 20:35 #208687
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Well I used to have a much easier time at calming myself and rarely if ever got stressed out. I was the slow easy going earth ox that never let little things bug me.
But then I had kids
And those kids are getting older
And they are getting at eachothers throats and fighting, and yelling, and whining oh my GOD the whining!!! I can't even begin to explain how much the whining grats on me.....Its like one of those nails on chalk board pet peeves of mine that compounds on everything else and makes all those million other little things into really big major problems.
*Takes a deep breath*
Ever since it's been a whole lot harder to return to my old Earth Ox ways :whistle:
Triggers, meditations, music, cup of tea sensative nicey relaxy make myself feel all soft and warm inside things actually just makes it worse. It makes me feel like I've became so soft and so weak and so out of control that I've fallen so far as to needing coddling and hand holding.
Yea I know...Its not like that.
But it feels like that.
You could say that I am at a stage where I just need to go on a two week soul journey on my own....but that is not in my power.
Those two blunt words "Grow up" and "Deal with it" have actually been more helpful than anything else.
Because....At the end of the day....all of my stress and pain and frustrations are just a whole bunch of little things that build up every day and they are just what one has to accept when they commit themselves to the responsabilities of adulthood and most importantly Parenthood.
And don't get me wrong....I love my baby girls

But I believe every parent can understand at least a little bit of what i am saying
But then I had kids
And those kids are getting older
And they are getting at eachothers throats and fighting, and yelling, and whining oh my GOD the whining!!! I can't even begin to explain how much the whining grats on me.....Its like one of those nails on chalk board pet peeves of mine that compounds on everything else and makes all those million other little things into really big major problems.
*Takes a deep breath*
Ever since it's been a whole lot harder to return to my old Earth Ox ways :whistle:
Triggers, meditations, music, cup of tea sensative nicey relaxy make myself feel all soft and warm inside things actually just makes it worse. It makes me feel like I've became so soft and so weak and so out of control that I've fallen so far as to needing coddling and hand holding.
Yea I know...Its not like that.
But it feels like that.
You could say that I am at a stage where I just need to go on a two week soul journey on my own....but that is not in my power.
Those two blunt words "Grow up" and "Deal with it" have actually been more helpful than anything else.
Because....At the end of the day....all of my stress and pain and frustrations are just a whole bunch of little things that build up every day and they are just what one has to accept when they commit themselves to the responsabilities of adulthood and most importantly Parenthood.
And don't get me wrong....I love my baby girls


But I believe every parent can understand at least a little bit of what i am saying

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Life is grand.
That being said there is a verse in the good book, it rains on the just and the unjust the same Mat 4 45
When it rains in Rome do you know what they did? They got wet.
In the grand scheme of things we must remember that what ever we are "place your name label here" life will happen. Good or bad or just life. Love is great because we know the pain of hate. We guard and keep close due to hurts. pain and stress are only a small fraction of the grand design of life. Don't let hurts stop you. Hurts....hurt. receive it, and be thankfull you have a heart to hurt. remember why...it hurts....when you do this the joy comes! Why are you sad...beacause you loss some one. as is life, we come we go but your hurt is from the loss. Tell me of the joys you received from the one that is lost, that's why we hurt, because of the joy. The aww is from the yay! So remember the yay. what is it that was the yay with this one you lost, rather flood your heart with the reason you hurt rather than the hurt. Wash it , the hurt, away with the joy!
I really hope this helps. pm if you need.
That being said there is a verse in the good book, it rains on the just and the unjust the same Mat 4 45
When it rains in Rome do you know what they did? They got wet.
In the grand scheme of things we must remember that what ever we are "place your name label here" life will happen. Good or bad or just life. Love is great because we know the pain of hate. We guard and keep close due to hurts. pain and stress are only a small fraction of the grand design of life. Don't let hurts stop you. Hurts....hurt. receive it, and be thankfull you have a heart to hurt. remember why...it hurts....when you do this the joy comes! Why are you sad...beacause you loss some one. as is life, we come we go but your hurt is from the loss. Tell me of the joys you received from the one that is lost, that's why we hurt, because of the joy. The aww is from the yay! So remember the yay. what is it that was the yay with this one you lost, rather flood your heart with the reason you hurt rather than the hurt. Wash it , the hurt, away with the joy!
I really hope this helps. pm if you need.
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12 Nov 2015 21:55 #208710
by Loudzoo
Replied by Loudzoo on topic Coping with Pain and Stress
Thanks for this thread Obi
A couple of things spring to mind from my own experience. The first is that the toughest time to try to start dealing with pain, or stress is when I'm already in pain, or stressed. What I've found is that its all about the preparation work which I do when most things are going along just fine. I totally agree with your comments on working out, and having a healthy diet. I'd add learning / remembering to breath properly, giving yourself the chance (at least!) to get plenty of sleep and some sort of waking meditation practice. The temptation I've had in the past is to let all these things slip when things are going well. What I've realised is that these things need to be practiced when things are going well so they're easier to maintain when the sh*t hits the fan. Even if these 'disciplines' slide away when life sucks I'm still much better prepared to shoulder the burdens of pain and stress if the 'practice' or 'training' has been diligent.
Second, if none of that has been possible (for any reason) and its all getting too much, I try to remind myself not to give-up on trying these techniques again, at the earliest possible opportunity - even if I suspect they will not help instantly (and they probably won't!) - it's the cumulative effect that counts.
Lastly - I've used this for about 10 years now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ5MoMpT3_4
It was originally on a CD with a book called "Change your life in 7 Days" by Paul McKenna. Its (embarrassingly) self-helpy but it works for me - like a life buoy! Again, it didn't 'do' much for the first few listens but after about 5 listens it clicked for me . . . and I was seriously stressed at the time.
Oh - and you HAVE to listen to it with headphones - the binaural sections don't work so well through speakers

Second, if none of that has been possible (for any reason) and its all getting too much, I try to remind myself not to give-up on trying these techniques again, at the earliest possible opportunity - even if I suspect they will not help instantly (and they probably won't!) - it's the cumulative effect that counts.
Lastly - I've used this for about 10 years now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ5MoMpT3_4
It was originally on a CD with a book called "Change your life in 7 Days" by Paul McKenna. Its (embarrassingly) self-helpy but it works for me - like a life buoy! Again, it didn't 'do' much for the first few listens but after about 5 listens it clicked for me . . . and I was seriously stressed at the time.
Oh - and you HAVE to listen to it with headphones - the binaural sections don't work so well through speakers

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12 Nov 2015 22:45 - 13 Nov 2015 00:02 #208729
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I just view it from a physical perspective to try to contextualize the psychological experience, something like... acronym alert, 'SAD';
Stage 1.
Stress - insufficient time or capacity to process workload, usually caused by direct accumulation or serious distractions, examples being physical pain, external demands on time, degradation of self etc. Increases cortisol output which starts to use up glucose stores, tending towards...
Stage 2.
Anxiety - cortisol deficiency leading to adrenaline domination and resultant discrodian search for focus, exhausting cortisol and glucose, leading to...
Stage 3.
Depression - cortisol deficiency plus adrenaline deficiency plus glucose deficiency, shutting down fundamental capacity to focus outwards.
A clean progression might though only be experienced by folk new to stress, as people already prior exposed to those stages I've noticed tend to sometimes end up stuck between stage 2 and 3 - where they think stage 2 is normal (because the adrenaline domination gives them some focus, its just not very controllable/happy) and spend their time trying to avoid slipping into stage 3.
For people in that 2.5 situation the stress is seemingly fueled additionally by the anxiety of being in that 2.5 stage, in addition to whatever circumstances pushed them there to begin with. So its a bit of a feedback trap, being in SAD makes you sad
:lol:
Had to do it, what good is an analogy if you cant make a joke of it :evil:
While meditative practises etc do help move the person backwards through the stages, without the isolation or new approach to the main causes - its always going to be fueling being 'SAD'.
:pinch:
A quick view of the types of 'distractions' fueling progression of being SAD, might be things like ongoing psychological 'complexes' created from previous experiences, physical pain/itch signals from the pain/itch pathways in the nervous system, or the external demands on ones time which degrade a persons agency of self, etc for example.
So that is how I view it. I just consider where I might be in that schema (self diagnose) and then self administer lifestyle/diet alterations with different types of contemplative practises or perspectives to try and help myself help myself.
I avoid medication where possible, but have noticed herbs like valerian, siberian ginseng, indian ginseng, true ginseng, licorice root, and something called Rhodiola rosea, seem useful - though these days people are so overdosed on sugars, fats and pharmaceuticals that the benefits of herbs are harder to 'feel' which means people either discount them or take too much of them - and herbs must be treated like medication as they do have the same problems such as the potential harmful interactions with each other and pharmaceuticals, plus sometimes a capacity for overdose and abuse in themselves... so always seek professional advice in that regard, but I'm happy to share my own experiences if they help as pointers for others.
But failing any luck with doing it myself, then don't feel bad for seeking help from others whether it be friends or family. I just think at the end of the day we are each the best healer for ourselves, we just gotta use whatever tools we can find and the most useful source for that would probably be of course professional advice or help.
Stage 1.
Stress - insufficient time or capacity to process workload, usually caused by direct accumulation or serious distractions, examples being physical pain, external demands on time, degradation of self etc. Increases cortisol output which starts to use up glucose stores, tending towards...
Stage 2.
Anxiety - cortisol deficiency leading to adrenaline domination and resultant discrodian search for focus, exhausting cortisol and glucose, leading to...
Stage 3.
Depression - cortisol deficiency plus adrenaline deficiency plus glucose deficiency, shutting down fundamental capacity to focus outwards.
A clean progression might though only be experienced by folk new to stress, as people already prior exposed to those stages I've noticed tend to sometimes end up stuck between stage 2 and 3 - where they think stage 2 is normal (because the adrenaline domination gives them some focus, its just not very controllable/happy) and spend their time trying to avoid slipping into stage 3.
For people in that 2.5 situation the stress is seemingly fueled additionally by the anxiety of being in that 2.5 stage, in addition to whatever circumstances pushed them there to begin with. So its a bit of a feedback trap, being in SAD makes you sad
:lol:
Had to do it, what good is an analogy if you cant make a joke of it :evil:
While meditative practises etc do help move the person backwards through the stages, without the isolation or new approach to the main causes - its always going to be fueling being 'SAD'.
:pinch:
A quick view of the types of 'distractions' fueling progression of being SAD, might be things like ongoing psychological 'complexes' created from previous experiences, physical pain/itch signals from the pain/itch pathways in the nervous system, or the external demands on ones time which degrade a persons agency of self, etc for example.
So that is how I view it. I just consider where I might be in that schema (self diagnose) and then self administer lifestyle/diet alterations with different types of contemplative practises or perspectives to try and help myself help myself.
I avoid medication where possible, but have noticed herbs like valerian, siberian ginseng, indian ginseng, true ginseng, licorice root, and something called Rhodiola rosea, seem useful - though these days people are so overdosed on sugars, fats and pharmaceuticals that the benefits of herbs are harder to 'feel' which means people either discount them or take too much of them - and herbs must be treated like medication as they do have the same problems such as the potential harmful interactions with each other and pharmaceuticals, plus sometimes a capacity for overdose and abuse in themselves... so always seek professional advice in that regard, but I'm happy to share my own experiences if they help as pointers for others.
But failing any luck with doing it myself, then don't feel bad for seeking help from others whether it be friends or family. I just think at the end of the day we are each the best healer for ourselves, we just gotta use whatever tools we can find and the most useful source for that would probably be of course professional advice or help.
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17 Nov 2015 02:08 - 17 Nov 2015 02:09 #209222
by Locksley
We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away. -- J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon 5
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Well, "manning up and dealing with it" is bs, in my opinion. But It's not uncommon advice unfortunately, and in my experience it never actually helps anyone who receives it.
There is however a need to accept the things that arise. I find that people suffer more when they try to go against whatever's occurring with sentiments such as "this shouldn't be" or "I don't deserve this". Learning to try and see things as they come for exactly what they are helps a lot. The next step might be learning to hold some compassion for yourself in the situation - not wallowing in feeling depressed, but trying to realize that whatever occurs because of the upset is what it is, just like the event itself. Not being too hard on yourself or others is really important, because that usually just ends up bringing even more feelings of hurt to the surface, and makes the whole thing worse.
Awareness practice is easier for a lot of folk than active meditation (though the two are remarkably similar, and branch into each other with ease). When you're hit by a trauma, or even just by daily stress (which is often disregarded as a serious problem in our society), noticing how you feel really helps. Taking stock of and naming the emotions that you're feeling, and then following them as best as you can - not judging, just noticing what occurs. I find that this has helped me a lot more than I had originally thought that it might, and I've seen remarkable effects of it in other people. Getting out of your naturally judgmental state of mind and just trying to be aware, as best you can, of what is occurring, really helps. Over time you may even start to notice that the way you react instinctively, alters under your awareness.
I think what Adder said holds a lot of merit as well, and I agree that things like maintaining regular diet and exercise are extremely important to overall health. Some studies have pointed to increased levels of stress and depression in people living in urban settings as well, so getting some mandatory time in nature (and far away from electronics) might help. Reading (non-electric format) books helps me especially, so I make it a point of habit to bring a book to the gym and read while doing my half-hour of cardio every day.
Overall, making sure that your schedule includes time for exercise, good food, nature, reading, alone time, and socializing is always a good bet to helping stress reduce a bit, and can help with various physical issues as well.
There is however a need to accept the things that arise. I find that people suffer more when they try to go against whatever's occurring with sentiments such as "this shouldn't be" or "I don't deserve this". Learning to try and see things as they come for exactly what they are helps a lot. The next step might be learning to hold some compassion for yourself in the situation - not wallowing in feeling depressed, but trying to realize that whatever occurs because of the upset is what it is, just like the event itself. Not being too hard on yourself or others is really important, because that usually just ends up bringing even more feelings of hurt to the surface, and makes the whole thing worse.
Awareness practice is easier for a lot of folk than active meditation (though the two are remarkably similar, and branch into each other with ease). When you're hit by a trauma, or even just by daily stress (which is often disregarded as a serious problem in our society), noticing how you feel really helps. Taking stock of and naming the emotions that you're feeling, and then following them as best as you can - not judging, just noticing what occurs. I find that this has helped me a lot more than I had originally thought that it might, and I've seen remarkable effects of it in other people. Getting out of your naturally judgmental state of mind and just trying to be aware, as best you can, of what is occurring, really helps. Over time you may even start to notice that the way you react instinctively, alters under your awareness.
I think what Adder said holds a lot of merit as well, and I agree that things like maintaining regular diet and exercise are extremely important to overall health. Some studies have pointed to increased levels of stress and depression in people living in urban settings as well, so getting some mandatory time in nature (and far away from electronics) might help. Reading (non-electric format) books helps me especially, so I make it a point of habit to bring a book to the gym and read while doing my half-hour of cardio every day.
Overall, making sure that your schedule includes time for exercise, good food, nature, reading, alone time, and socializing is always a good bet to helping stress reduce a bit, and can help with various physical issues as well.
We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away. -- J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon 5
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Being a bit honest here, I didn't read through all of the posts here, as there is a lot to go through, but I'd love to toss in my two cents.
I think a lot of what causes stress and anger is expectation. People leave at a certain time to get to a certain place, and if they are delayed, they are stressed. I always leave early. Then my expectation is to be early. Worst case I am on time. But beyond this, removing expectation on the fly is an invaluable skill. You cannot affect things that delay you all the time. Perhaps you need to cut out a thing on your list, and do it another day. That's fine. Perhaps you will simply be late. That's fine. Or, perhaps something valuable has just failed on you. Let that item go, or find a reasonable means to repair it. Expectation really just holds you under sometimes.
Another thing I notice is people's tendency to get angry. I used to be this way myself, until I asked myself if it is productive. Does being angry help my cause or situation? No. It makes me look a fool, it impairs my ability to respond and adapt. I also find that understanding the imperfection of ourselves helps us not become angry at others, as we can have empathy for their imperfection and missteps, removing fault from that individual and anger from ourselves. This same method can be used to remove hurtful feelings from another's actions, or our own actions, as well. Did what they said offend me? Maybe. But why did they say it? Understanding this cause and effect does a lot for me, personally.
I think a lot of what causes stress and anger is expectation. People leave at a certain time to get to a certain place, and if they are delayed, they are stressed. I always leave early. Then my expectation is to be early. Worst case I am on time. But beyond this, removing expectation on the fly is an invaluable skill. You cannot affect things that delay you all the time. Perhaps you need to cut out a thing on your list, and do it another day. That's fine. Perhaps you will simply be late. That's fine. Or, perhaps something valuable has just failed on you. Let that item go, or find a reasonable means to repair it. Expectation really just holds you under sometimes.
Another thing I notice is people's tendency to get angry. I used to be this way myself, until I asked myself if it is productive. Does being angry help my cause or situation? No. It makes me look a fool, it impairs my ability to respond and adapt. I also find that understanding the imperfection of ourselves helps us not become angry at others, as we can have empathy for their imperfection and missteps, removing fault from that individual and anger from ourselves. This same method can be used to remove hurtful feelings from another's actions, or our own actions, as well. Did what they said offend me? Maybe. But why did they say it? Understanding this cause and effect does a lot for me, personally.
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People are complicated.
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some situations are especially difficult, and potentially dangerous, to navigate on the fly
how to help someone who is suicidal is one of them
this article addresses that issue
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http://www.helpguide.org/articles/suicide-prevention/suicide-prevention-helping-someone-who-is-suicidal.htm
how to help someone who is suicidal is one of them
this article addresses that issue
Warning: Spoiler!
The World Health Organization estimates that approximately 1 million people die each year from suicide. What drives so many individuals to take their own lives? To those not in the grips of suicidal depression and despair, it's difficult to understand what drives so many individuals to take their own lives. But a suicidal person is in so much pain that he or she can see no other option.
Suicide is a desperate attempt to escape suffering that has become unbearable. Blinded by feelings of self-loathing, hopelessness, and isolation, a suicidal person can't see any way of finding relief except through death. But despite their desire for the pain to stop, most suicidal people are deeply conflicted about ending their own lives. They wish there was an alternative to committing suicide, but they just can't see one.
Common misconceptions about suicide
FALSE: People who talk about suicide won't really do it.
Almost everyone who commits or attempts suicide has given some clue or warning. Do not ignore suicide threats. Statements like "you'll be sorry when I'm dead," "I can't see any way out," — no matter how casually or jokingly said, may indicate serious suicidal feelings.
FALSE: Anyone who tries to kill him/herself must be crazy.
Most suicidal people are not psychotic or insane. They must be upset, grief-stricken, depressed or despairing, but extreme distress and emotional pain are not necessarily signs of mental illness.
FALSE: If a person is determined to kill him/herself, nothing is going to stop them.
Even the most severely depressed person has mixed feelings about death, wavering until the very last moment between wanting to live and wanting to die. Most suicidal people do not want death; they want the pain to stop. The impulse to end it all, however overpowering, does not last forever.
FALSE: People who commit suicide are people who were unwilling to seek help.
Studies of suicide victims have shown that more than half had sought medical help in the six months prior to their deaths.
FALSE: Talking about suicide may give someone the idea.
You don't give a suicidal person morbid ideas by talking about suicide. The opposite is true—bringing up the subject of suicide and discussing it openly is one of the most helpful things you can do.
Source: SAVE – Suicide Awareness Voices of Education
Warning signs of suicide
Take any suicidal talk or behavior seriously. It's not just a warning sign that the person is thinking about suicide—it's a cry for help.
Most suicidal individuals give warning signs or signals of their intentions. The best way to prevent suicide is to recognize these warning signs and know how to respond if you spot them. If you believe that a friend or family member is suicidal, you can play a role in suicide prevention by pointing out the alternatives, showing that you care, and getting a doctor or psychologist involved.
Major warning signs for suicide include talking about killing or harming oneself, talking or writing a lot about death or dying, and seeking out things that could be used in a suicide attempt, such as weapons and drugs. These signals are even more dangerous if the person has a mood disorder such as depression or bipolar disorder, suffers from alcohol dependence, has previously attempted suicide, or has a family history of suicide.
A more subtle but equally dangerous warning sign of suicide is hopelessness. Studies have found that hopelessness is a strong predictor of suicide. People who feel hopeless may talk about "unbearable" feelings, predict a bleak future, and state that they have nothing to look forward to.
Other warning signs that point to a suicidal mind frame include dramatic mood swings or sudden personality changes, such as going from outgoing to withdrawn or well-behaved to rebellious. A suicidal person may also lose interest in day-to-day activities, neglect his or her appearance, and show big changes in eating or sleeping habits.
Suicide Warning Signs
Talking about suicide
Any talk about suicide, dying, or self-harm, such as "I wish I hadn't been born," "If I see you again..." and "I'd be better off dead."
Seeking out lethal means
Seeking access to guns, pills, knives, or other objects that could be used in a suicide attempt.
Preoccupation with death
Unusual focus on death, dying, or violence. Writing poems or stories about death.
No hope for the future
Feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, and being trapped ("There's no way out"). Belief that things will never get better or change.
Self-loathing, self-hatred
Feelings of worthlessness, guilt, shame, and self-hatred. Feeling like a burden ("Everyone would be better off without me").
Getting affairs in order
Making out a will. Giving away prized possessions. Making arrangements for family members.
Saying goodbye
Unusual or unexpected visits or calls to family and friends. Saying goodbye to people as if they won't be seen again.
Withdrawing from others
Withdrawing from friends and family. Increasing social isolation. Desire to be left alone.
Self-destructive behavior
Increased alcohol or drug use, reckless driving, unsafe sex. Taking unnecessary risks as if they have a "death wish."
Sudden sense of calm
A sudden sense of calm and happiness after being extremely depressed can mean that the person has made a decision to commit suicide.
Suicide prevention tip #1: Speak up if you’re worried
If you spot the warning signs of suicide in someone you care about, you may wonder if it’s a good idea to say anything. What if you’re wrong? What if the person gets angry? In such situations, it's natural to feel uncomfortable or afraid. But anyone who talks about suicide or shows other warning signs needs immediate help—the sooner the better.
Talking to a person about suicide
Talking to a friend or family member about their suicidal thoughts and feelings can be extremely difficult for anyone. But if you're unsure whether someone is suicidal, the best way to find out is to ask. You can't make a person suicidal by showing that you care. In fact, giving a suicidal person the opportunity to express his or her feelings can provide relief from loneliness and pent-up negative feelings, and may prevent a suicide attempt.
Ways to start a conversation about suicide:
I have been feeling concerned about you lately.
Recently, I have noticed some differences in you and wondered how you are doing.
I wanted to check in with you because you haven’t seemed yourself lately.
Questions you can ask:
When did you begin feeling like this?
Did something happen that made you start feeling this way?
How can I best support you right now?
Have you thought about getting help?
What you can say that helps:
You are not alone in this. I’m here for you.
You may not believe it now, but the way you’re feeling will change.
I may not be able to understand exactly how you feel, but I care about you and want to help.
When you want to give up, tell yourself you will hold off for just one more day, hour, minute—whatever you can manage.
When talking to a suicidal person
Do:
Be yourself. Let the person know you care, that he/she is not alone. The right words are often unimportant. If you are concerned, your voice and manner will show it.
Listen. Let the suicidal person unload despair, ventilate anger. No matter how negative the conversation seems, the fact that it exists is a positive sign.
Be sympathetic, non-judgmental, patient, calm, accepting. Your friend or family member is doing the right thing by talking about his/her feelings.
Offer hope. Reassure the person that help is available and that the suicidal feelings are temporary. Let the person know that his or her life is important to you.
If the person says things like, “I’m so depressed, I can’t go on,” ask the question: “Are you having thoughts of suicide?” You are not putting ideas in their head, you are showing that you are concerned, that you take them seriously, and that it’s OK for them to share their pain with you.
But don’t:
Argue with the suicidal person. Avoid saying things like: "You have so much to live for," "Your suicide will hurt your family," or “Look on the bright side.”
Act shocked, lecture on the value of life, or say that suicide is wrong.
Promise confidentiality. Refuse to be sworn to secrecy. A life is at stake and you may need to speak to a mental health professional in order to keep the suicidal person safe. If you promise to keep your discussions secret, you may have to break your word.
Offer ways to fix their problems, or give advice, or make them feel like they have to justify their suicidal feelings. It is not about how bad the problem is, but how badly it’s hurting your friend or loved one.
Blame yourself. You can’t “fix” someone’s depression. Your loved one’s happiness, or lack thereof, is not your responsibility.
Adapted from: Metanoia.org
Suicide prevention tip #2: Respond quickly in a crisis
If a friend or family member tells you that he or she is thinking about death or suicide, it's important to evaluate the immediate danger the person is in. Those at the highest risk for committing suicide in the near future have a specific suicide PLAN, the MEANS to carry out the plan, a TIME SET for doing it, and an INTENTION to do it.
Level of Suicide Risk
Low – Some suicidal thoughts. No suicide plan. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
Moderate – Suicidal thoughts. Vague plan that isn't very lethal. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
High – Suicidal thoughts. Specific plan that is highly lethal. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
Severe – Suicidal thoughts. Specific plan that is highly lethal. Says he or she will commit suicide.
The following questions can help you assess the immediate risk for suicide:
Do you have a suicide plan? (PLAN)
Do you have what you need to carry out your plan (pills, gun, etc.)? (MEANS)
Do you know when you would do it? (TIME SET)
Do you intend to commit suicide? (INTENTION)
If a suicide attempt seems imminent, call a local crisis center, dial 911, or take the person to an emergency room. Remove guns, drugs, knives, and other potentially lethal objects from the vicinity but do not, under any circumstances, leave a suicidal person alone.
Suicide prevention tip #3: Offer help and support
If a friend or family member is suicidal, the best way to help is by offering an empathetic, listening ear. Let your loved one know that he or she is not alone and that you care. Don't take responsibility, however, for making your loved one well. You can offer support, but you can't get better for a suicidal person. He or she has to make a personal commitment to recovery.
It takes a lot of courage to help someone who is suicidal. Witnessing a loved one dealing with thoughts about ending his or her own life can stir up many difficult emotions. As you're helping a suicidal person, don't forget to take care of yourself. Find someone that you trust—a friend, family member, clergyman, or counselor—to talk to about your feelings and get support of your own.
Helping a suicidal person:
Get professional help. Do everything in your power to get a suicidal person the help he or she needs. Call a crisis line for advice and referrals. Encourage the person to see a mental health professional, help locate a treatment facility, or take them to a doctor's appointment.
Follow-up on treatment. If the doctor prescribes medication, make sure your friend or loved one takes it as directed. Be aware of possible side effects and be sure to notify the physician if the person seems to be getting worse. It often takes time and persistence to find the medication or therapy that’s right for a particular person.
Be proactive. Those contemplating suicide often don't believe they can be helped, so you may have to be more proactive at offering assistance. Saying, “Call me if you need anything” is too vague. Don’t wait for the person to call you or even to return your calls. Drop by, call again, invite the person out.
Encourage positive lifestyle changes, such as a healthy diet, plenty of sleep, and getting out in the sun or into nature for at least 30 minutes each day. Exercise is also extremely important as it releases endorphins, relieves stress, and promotes emotional well-being.
Make a safety plan. Help the person develop a set of steps he or she promises to follow during a suicidal crisis. It should identify any triggers that may lead to a suicidal crisis, such as an anniversary of a loss, alcohol, or stress from relationships. Also include contact numbers for the person's doctor or therapist, as well as friends and family members who will help in an emergency.
Remove potential means of suicide, such as pills, knives, razors, or firearms. If the person is likely to take an overdose, keep medications locked away or give out only as the person needs them.
Continue your support over the long haul. Even after the immediate suicidal crisis has passed, stay in touch with the person, periodically checking in or dropping by. Your support is vital to ensure your friend or loved one remains on the recovery track.
Suicide is a desperate attempt to escape suffering that has become unbearable. Blinded by feelings of self-loathing, hopelessness, and isolation, a suicidal person can't see any way of finding relief except through death. But despite their desire for the pain to stop, most suicidal people are deeply conflicted about ending their own lives. They wish there was an alternative to committing suicide, but they just can't see one.
Common misconceptions about suicide
FALSE: People who talk about suicide won't really do it.
Almost everyone who commits or attempts suicide has given some clue or warning. Do not ignore suicide threats. Statements like "you'll be sorry when I'm dead," "I can't see any way out," — no matter how casually or jokingly said, may indicate serious suicidal feelings.
FALSE: Anyone who tries to kill him/herself must be crazy.
Most suicidal people are not psychotic or insane. They must be upset, grief-stricken, depressed or despairing, but extreme distress and emotional pain are not necessarily signs of mental illness.
FALSE: If a person is determined to kill him/herself, nothing is going to stop them.
Even the most severely depressed person has mixed feelings about death, wavering until the very last moment between wanting to live and wanting to die. Most suicidal people do not want death; they want the pain to stop. The impulse to end it all, however overpowering, does not last forever.
FALSE: People who commit suicide are people who were unwilling to seek help.
Studies of suicide victims have shown that more than half had sought medical help in the six months prior to their deaths.
FALSE: Talking about suicide may give someone the idea.
You don't give a suicidal person morbid ideas by talking about suicide. The opposite is true—bringing up the subject of suicide and discussing it openly is one of the most helpful things you can do.
Source: SAVE – Suicide Awareness Voices of Education
Warning signs of suicide
Take any suicidal talk or behavior seriously. It's not just a warning sign that the person is thinking about suicide—it's a cry for help.
Most suicidal individuals give warning signs or signals of their intentions. The best way to prevent suicide is to recognize these warning signs and know how to respond if you spot them. If you believe that a friend or family member is suicidal, you can play a role in suicide prevention by pointing out the alternatives, showing that you care, and getting a doctor or psychologist involved.
Major warning signs for suicide include talking about killing or harming oneself, talking or writing a lot about death or dying, and seeking out things that could be used in a suicide attempt, such as weapons and drugs. These signals are even more dangerous if the person has a mood disorder such as depression or bipolar disorder, suffers from alcohol dependence, has previously attempted suicide, or has a family history of suicide.
A more subtle but equally dangerous warning sign of suicide is hopelessness. Studies have found that hopelessness is a strong predictor of suicide. People who feel hopeless may talk about "unbearable" feelings, predict a bleak future, and state that they have nothing to look forward to.
Other warning signs that point to a suicidal mind frame include dramatic mood swings or sudden personality changes, such as going from outgoing to withdrawn or well-behaved to rebellious. A suicidal person may also lose interest in day-to-day activities, neglect his or her appearance, and show big changes in eating or sleeping habits.
Suicide Warning Signs
Talking about suicide
Any talk about suicide, dying, or self-harm, such as "I wish I hadn't been born," "If I see you again..." and "I'd be better off dead."
Seeking out lethal means
Seeking access to guns, pills, knives, or other objects that could be used in a suicide attempt.
Preoccupation with death
Unusual focus on death, dying, or violence. Writing poems or stories about death.
No hope for the future
Feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, and being trapped ("There's no way out"). Belief that things will never get better or change.
Self-loathing, self-hatred
Feelings of worthlessness, guilt, shame, and self-hatred. Feeling like a burden ("Everyone would be better off without me").
Getting affairs in order
Making out a will. Giving away prized possessions. Making arrangements for family members.
Saying goodbye
Unusual or unexpected visits or calls to family and friends. Saying goodbye to people as if they won't be seen again.
Withdrawing from others
Withdrawing from friends and family. Increasing social isolation. Desire to be left alone.
Self-destructive behavior
Increased alcohol or drug use, reckless driving, unsafe sex. Taking unnecessary risks as if they have a "death wish."
Sudden sense of calm
A sudden sense of calm and happiness after being extremely depressed can mean that the person has made a decision to commit suicide.
Suicide prevention tip #1: Speak up if you’re worried
If you spot the warning signs of suicide in someone you care about, you may wonder if it’s a good idea to say anything. What if you’re wrong? What if the person gets angry? In such situations, it's natural to feel uncomfortable or afraid. But anyone who talks about suicide or shows other warning signs needs immediate help—the sooner the better.
Talking to a person about suicide
Talking to a friend or family member about their suicidal thoughts and feelings can be extremely difficult for anyone. But if you're unsure whether someone is suicidal, the best way to find out is to ask. You can't make a person suicidal by showing that you care. In fact, giving a suicidal person the opportunity to express his or her feelings can provide relief from loneliness and pent-up negative feelings, and may prevent a suicide attempt.
Ways to start a conversation about suicide:
I have been feeling concerned about you lately.
Recently, I have noticed some differences in you and wondered how you are doing.
I wanted to check in with you because you haven’t seemed yourself lately.
Questions you can ask:
When did you begin feeling like this?
Did something happen that made you start feeling this way?
How can I best support you right now?
Have you thought about getting help?
What you can say that helps:
You are not alone in this. I’m here for you.
You may not believe it now, but the way you’re feeling will change.
I may not be able to understand exactly how you feel, but I care about you and want to help.
When you want to give up, tell yourself you will hold off for just one more day, hour, minute—whatever you can manage.
When talking to a suicidal person
Do:
Be yourself. Let the person know you care, that he/she is not alone. The right words are often unimportant. If you are concerned, your voice and manner will show it.
Listen. Let the suicidal person unload despair, ventilate anger. No matter how negative the conversation seems, the fact that it exists is a positive sign.
Be sympathetic, non-judgmental, patient, calm, accepting. Your friend or family member is doing the right thing by talking about his/her feelings.
Offer hope. Reassure the person that help is available and that the suicidal feelings are temporary. Let the person know that his or her life is important to you.
If the person says things like, “I’m so depressed, I can’t go on,” ask the question: “Are you having thoughts of suicide?” You are not putting ideas in their head, you are showing that you are concerned, that you take them seriously, and that it’s OK for them to share their pain with you.
But don’t:
Argue with the suicidal person. Avoid saying things like: "You have so much to live for," "Your suicide will hurt your family," or “Look on the bright side.”
Act shocked, lecture on the value of life, or say that suicide is wrong.
Promise confidentiality. Refuse to be sworn to secrecy. A life is at stake and you may need to speak to a mental health professional in order to keep the suicidal person safe. If you promise to keep your discussions secret, you may have to break your word.
Offer ways to fix their problems, or give advice, or make them feel like they have to justify their suicidal feelings. It is not about how bad the problem is, but how badly it’s hurting your friend or loved one.
Blame yourself. You can’t “fix” someone’s depression. Your loved one’s happiness, or lack thereof, is not your responsibility.
Adapted from: Metanoia.org
Suicide prevention tip #2: Respond quickly in a crisis
If a friend or family member tells you that he or she is thinking about death or suicide, it's important to evaluate the immediate danger the person is in. Those at the highest risk for committing suicide in the near future have a specific suicide PLAN, the MEANS to carry out the plan, a TIME SET for doing it, and an INTENTION to do it.
Level of Suicide Risk
Low – Some suicidal thoughts. No suicide plan. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
Moderate – Suicidal thoughts. Vague plan that isn't very lethal. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
High – Suicidal thoughts. Specific plan that is highly lethal. Says he or she won't commit suicide.
Severe – Suicidal thoughts. Specific plan that is highly lethal. Says he or she will commit suicide.
The following questions can help you assess the immediate risk for suicide:
Do you have a suicide plan? (PLAN)
Do you have what you need to carry out your plan (pills, gun, etc.)? (MEANS)
Do you know when you would do it? (TIME SET)
Do you intend to commit suicide? (INTENTION)
If a suicide attempt seems imminent, call a local crisis center, dial 911, or take the person to an emergency room. Remove guns, drugs, knives, and other potentially lethal objects from the vicinity but do not, under any circumstances, leave a suicidal person alone.
Suicide prevention tip #3: Offer help and support
If a friend or family member is suicidal, the best way to help is by offering an empathetic, listening ear. Let your loved one know that he or she is not alone and that you care. Don't take responsibility, however, for making your loved one well. You can offer support, but you can't get better for a suicidal person. He or she has to make a personal commitment to recovery.
It takes a lot of courage to help someone who is suicidal. Witnessing a loved one dealing with thoughts about ending his or her own life can stir up many difficult emotions. As you're helping a suicidal person, don't forget to take care of yourself. Find someone that you trust—a friend, family member, clergyman, or counselor—to talk to about your feelings and get support of your own.
Helping a suicidal person:
Get professional help. Do everything in your power to get a suicidal person the help he or she needs. Call a crisis line for advice and referrals. Encourage the person to see a mental health professional, help locate a treatment facility, or take them to a doctor's appointment.
Follow-up on treatment. If the doctor prescribes medication, make sure your friend or loved one takes it as directed. Be aware of possible side effects and be sure to notify the physician if the person seems to be getting worse. It often takes time and persistence to find the medication or therapy that’s right for a particular person.
Be proactive. Those contemplating suicide often don't believe they can be helped, so you may have to be more proactive at offering assistance. Saying, “Call me if you need anything” is too vague. Don’t wait for the person to call you or even to return your calls. Drop by, call again, invite the person out.
Encourage positive lifestyle changes, such as a healthy diet, plenty of sleep, and getting out in the sun or into nature for at least 30 minutes each day. Exercise is also extremely important as it releases endorphins, relieves stress, and promotes emotional well-being.
Make a safety plan. Help the person develop a set of steps he or she promises to follow during a suicidal crisis. It should identify any triggers that may lead to a suicidal crisis, such as an anniversary of a loss, alcohol, or stress from relationships. Also include contact numbers for the person's doctor or therapist, as well as friends and family members who will help in an emergency.
Remove potential means of suicide, such as pills, knives, razors, or firearms. If the person is likely to take an overdose, keep medications locked away or give out only as the person needs them.
Continue your support over the long haul. Even after the immediate suicidal crisis has passed, stay in touch with the person, periodically checking in or dropping by. Your support is vital to ensure your friend or loved one remains on the recovery track.
link to full article
http://www.helpguide.org/articles/suicide-prevention/suicide-prevention-helping-someone-who-is-suicidal.htm
People are complicated.
Last edit: 17 Nov 2015 18:21 by OB1Shinobi.
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