Is recognition that Jews have the best ideology of the Abrahamic cults the reaso

Forgiveness , as a jew i dont feel superior , or as a chosen one , there are of my people that say that , but they need to step down and look what is really going on , an ancient old war played out by new players. As a Jedi , i will have no part of that.

Silas Mercury wrote: Yes, it is the reaso
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I think that the Jews have the most understanding because they have suffered the most, so know what it is like as a people to be persecuted so violently, and know that they forgive.

An intelligent reply, so why these?

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Are you by-polar?

Regards
DL

MartaLina wrote: Forgiveness , as a jew i dont feel superior , or as a chosen one , there are of my people that say that , but they need to step down and look what is really going on , an ancient old war played out by new players. As a Jedi , i will have no part of that.

I understand your point of view.

I just do not agree with it as I believe that for evil to grow, all good people need do is not step up when they think they have a better ideology.

In the past, many were thin skinned but the many years of Inquisition and jihad thinking has toughened us up enough as a people that I think it time to start showing how immoral the other Abrahamic sects are.

I think that it is now just fear that is preventing Jews, as a nation, from coming out of the moral theology closet, so to speak.

I hope Jews come out soon, or that my even better Gnostic Christian theology takes hold, which is doubtful.

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DL

The laughing faces were .... oh forget it:whistle:

Greatest-I-am wrote: Hi

I am a Gnostic Christian.

I like to hurt the heads of religious people with topic on the immorality of their Gods.

Regards
DL

so, basically youre a tosser, and youve created this username account to insult people and parade your own moral superiority?

im pretty sure that position has already been filled...

I hate guilty conscience dammit !! Stop doing this to me you know you're doing it Ob1 !!

Greatest-I-am wrote:

MartaLina wrote: Forgiveness , as a jew i dont feel superior , or as a chosen one , there are of my people that say that , but they need to step down and look what is really going on , an ancient old war played out by new players. As a Jedi , i will have no part of that.

I understand your point of view.

I just do not agree with it as I believe that for evil to grow, all good people need do is not step up when they think they have a better ideology.

In the past, many were thin skinned but the many years of Inquisition and jihad thinking has toughened us up enough as a people that I think it time to start showing how immoral the other Abrahamic sects are.

I think that it is now just fear that is preventing Jews, as a nation, from coming out of the moral theology closet, so to speak.

I hope Jews come out soon, or that my even better Gnostic Christian theology takes hold, which is doubtful.

Regards
DL

Clearly you dont understand my point of view , i am not for war , but when there is war , i will have to choose a side , and as a Jedi i have to do the right thing , which is obviously not stand aside letting things go as they go , but as i see religion its a very dangerous way to show superiority , i am for a complete seperation of church and state and therefor am against EVERY war started by religion , i dont care if its Muslims or Jews , we need to live together. I have no need for apologies from people who have a different view on Adonai , Yeshua or Mohamed ...

Greatest-I-am wrote: Is recognition that Jews have the best ideology of the Abrahamic cults the reason Muslims and Christians hate Jews?

Maybe. It could also be that Jews and their ever so virtuous parrots keep insisting that they are the chosen people with the one true religion and that even at the best of times all they have to say to Christians is that the person most of them consider to be a literal incarnation of their common god is a mere mortal with silly ideas of the afterlife. Islam isn't even warranted that much respect. This is not to say that either deserve them, but the question itself not only makes a laughably bold assumption, it also betrays a unique kind of arrogance of the sort that says "we are so brilliant, there is no way someone could possibly honestly disagree with us". Now, I'm neither a Christian nor a Jew nor a Muslim, I have no religion that would leave me wounded when condescended towards, but lines like these sure don't inspire any sympathy from me and I frankly can't see how a Muslim or a Christian is supposed to be any more appreciative.

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Well, he is wrong about that being in the Torah. The closest thing to it is a line in the Book of Tobit which is not a part of the Torah nor of a majority of the versions of the Christian Bible. If anything, the golden rule is at best expressed in a positive form, and in the New Testament at that, but Hillel is referring to Leviticus 19:18 which says almost nothing of the sort. In my humble opinion both versions of the rule are severely lacking both in principle and in practice, but even if they wouldn't be, there is no reason why anyone should consider them superior or follow them beyond their own intuitive agreement with them after they hear them.

Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.

Why?

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

If Origen said that (citation, please), he is wrong, because as a matter of fact people do take these texts literally and to varying extents. In the light of what is actually the case, what some ancient Greek thought was impossible is completely irrelevant. I'm also pretty sure that he didn't know any more about the intent of God than any other mere mortal at the time, or prior, or since. Without an explanation of the roots of his position, his opinion is useless to us, as would be any other.

Muslims and Christians foolishly read their holy books literally, ignoring that none of the Abrahamic cults did in the past.

Again, so what? There is a past when nobody used to have a horseless carriage either, yet here we are. Older doesn't mean better or more correct. In fact, in most cases quite the opposite is true: As time moves on, our positions improve with the understanding we gain. Now, that's not the case with faith-based positions, I'll grant that much, but just from the fact that there used to be a different position, it does by no means follow that the new ones are "foolish".

This fact makes Muslims and Christians idol worshipers. All Muslim and Christian denominations ignore that the Jesus they all profess to respect preached that we should all be God seekers and never become idol worshipers the way Muslims and Christians have done.

According to Islam, Jews are idol worshippers every bit as much as Muslims are according to what ever source you think to be capital-T truth. And I for one don't know why it matters what some guy allegedly said about what we should or should not worship, but do feel free to enlighten me...

Gnostic Christians like me were and are esoteric ecumenists. You might say that to the old Abrahamic cults of Muslims, Christians and Jews, we were the religious whores of those old days, thanks to the fact that our mystery schools would pick and choose the best tenets of all religions and work them into our Universalist creed. We would not tie ourselves down to becoming idol worshipers of imaginary demiurges the way Muslims and Christians did in ancient days and continue to do today. The fool says in his heart, I know who God is and who his prophets are.

That's funny, considering how you are trying to tell us who God isn't and who his prophets aren't, as if you knew any better than anyone else.

Gnostic Christians and Jews, --- having a superior ideology and philosophy of seeking a good God, --- instead of becoming idol worshipers like Muslims and Christians, --- shared the hate and attempted genocide that Jews suffered thanks to Christians then Muslims.

I'm sorry, I must have overlooked the part where you demonstrated the superiority of the Gnostic Christian or Jewish ideology or philosophy by some metric, or even so much as named the metric by which they are.

Should Muslims and Christians admit their ideological deficiencies and turn their hate to love. It should be quite easy for religions that say they are all about peace and love.

What if they aren't? And if they are, why should it be easy to say? And if it is easy to say, what about that makes it easy to implement? And what idological deficiencies are you talking about? What does that even mean? Why do I even ask this if it's supposedly that obvious how superior your position is to the ones you are challenging here? So far it looks like a pot not only calling the kettle black, but meanwhile also insisting it is brushed and shiny itself.

I think it would be fitting for Muslims and Christians to start walking their talk and apologise to Jews and Gnostic Christians by giving them the recognition for excellence in religious matters.

Yea, well, that's just like... your opinion, man. But, please, do feel free to also explain what you mean by that or why you think so. Its certainly no uncommon position, but so far I only ever heard it stated, never substantiated.

Don't forget its never really constructive to group a large set of people under one label for the purpose of using that label for behaviors of only a subset of the group.... words like 'some' or 'many' are more accurate, but also less inflammatory.

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote: Hi

I am a Gnostic Christian.

I like to hurt the heads of religious people with topic on the immorality of their Gods.

Regards
DL

so, basically youre a tosser, and youve created this username account to insult people and parade your own moral superiority?

im pretty sure that position has already been filled...

Not too surprising as that is an easy posting that even a child could fill.

Ask any 8 year old who is more likely to use genocide, a God or a Satan.

See what I mean?

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DL