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Dark side
It is a subject that I wish to update in my guide that I write and I think that your opinions on the subject could help me.
If we follow the Jedi teachings. We believe in the Force and what it has created. The Jedi code tells us about meditation and controlling emotions to allow the development of the body and the mind. We can therefore deduce that meditation and emotional control have a physical and mental impact. On the other hand the Force designed us with emotions, emotions which we must recognize are powerful. Anger, hatred, love, passion, jealousy are emotions of great power and they have an impact on the body and the mind. We can therefore deduce that in both cases, the emotions have an impact on the body but in two different directions.
The Sith code tells us: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I have power. By power, I have power. By power, I have victory. By victory, I break my chains. The Force will set me free. There is no peace, there is anger. There is no fear, there is power. There is no death, there is immortality. There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side. When we look at history the greatest things like the worst were done by men and women who used these or similar emotions. So the Jedi wouldn't be in opposition to the Force? When we look at the world in which we live, we can ask ourselves the question.
I am a Jedi, I believe in Strength and Jediism, so I have the Jedi code and principles at heart, so I have my own point of view on the subject. But having yours would allow me to have a broader vision of the subject.
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Light and dark good or bad can only describe what is there from where we sit. Our description of what we see - is one of many - think about that for a bit- 7.5 billion people tasting the same vinegar - expect variations. For me, I’m thankful that light and dark only exist in the cinematic world. In the “really real world off the line” things are... real. Learning a balance can be any modern day Jeddist bread and butter and learning to apply it in their real life can be a testimony no one can touch with a 12 foot saber- Pun intended.
You are talking to a guy here who grew up on the streets with gangs and violence served with your eggs and toast every day. The Dark side of my life is not the past. I don’t live there any more - my choice and my entire circle had benefit from it. Funny thing - it’s not a light or dark thing any more for me - cultivate and benefit are more frequent than the words describing sides now.
The best teaching I have found helps me is the non attachment one when I deal with things like this. When I begin to notice I’m labeling things more than using them...
4. Jedi are wary of attachments, both material and personal. The obsession over possessions and people creates the fear of losing those possessions and relationships which can cause ourselves to be trapped in a state of depression and loss.
I found when I apply that attachment to light and dark and stickers or labels like that - I return here - helps me anyway but like some one once said - people think nuns and monks are holy - we are just trying. A Modern day Jeddist is full of that - the trying. The seek. Keep seeking and keep finding. My inbox is always open. May the Force CONTINUE to be with you as we seek serve and share it.
What “side” did we just share ? Hmm maybe not a side at all but a Force - hmm
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Cheb wrote: The Jedi code tells us about meditation and controlling emotions to allow the development of the body and the mind.
We can therefore deduce that meditation and emotional control have a physical and mental impact.
On the other hand the Force designed us with emotions, emotions which we must recognize are powerful. Anger, hatred, love, passion, jealousy are emotions of great power and they have an impact on the body and the mind.
We can therefore deduce that in both cases, the emotions have an impact on the body but in two different directions.
The Jedi Code does not deny that emotions exist, nor does it wish to do away with them entirely. The key word is "control", which should not be misread as "surpress". The Jedi way is not one of surpressing emotions, but of understanding them and knowing how to guide them towards the results we want to see.
In that sense, there is no difference between the "dark side" as you defined it above, and the Jedi Code.
How does a real-world Sith measure success? You mention passion leading to power, leading to victory. Do you believe a Sith can achieve victory through uncontrolled power, through unreined passion?
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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Embrace
I recall Alan Watts once describing the "element of irreducible rascality" which is inherently part of being human. This concerns the reality that being human inherently involves both the good and the bad, both the angel and the devil, the reasonable and the passionate. Unfortunately, repression of our rascality happens and the growth of our shadow ensues. This is a result of the fact that we live in a society that throughout the generations has always promoted one set of desirable characteristics while condemning one that is non-desirable - The light over the dark, the good over the bad, the angel over the devil. Because of this, we are conditioned into thinking that it is good to banish the undesirable in order to transform humanity into that which we've come to deem as desirable. Thus, we are moved to deny the darker aspects of our own humanity in order to transform ourselves into what is deemed as "right" and "good".
"Self Improvement" is often seen as "nurturing the good things about yourself" while "eliminating the bad". What is less explored is the fuller concept of "self acceptance" which would include both the good and the bad, both the desirable and the undesirable. It is through the acceptance of all of these aspects equally that we should be able to work with them and integrate them into our daily lives. In order to do this, we embrace the fact that we inevitably repress the dark aspects of ourselves. We embrace the shadow, acknowleding them, understanding them, and thus relieving them of the pressure of repression. As Alexandre and I would always talk about it, we "work with our dragons, instead of trying to slay them".
Many things even other than evil traits can end up in the shadow. This includes aspects of our creativity, certain interests and sexual preferences. These can all become repressed likely due to our environment considering them unconventional and/or inappropriate in some way. Often we respond to this repression in the form of denial and projection - all forms of resistance.
Denial
It is common that people come to deny their own negative traits, or otherwise attempt to reduce their unwanted characteristics. This often risks leading us down a path of self-betrayal, self-sabotage, and ultimately self-destruction, not only to ourselves, but to our environment as well. I can personally admit to doing this. I often filter my characteristics both to myself much of the time, and toward most people I interact with. In another journal entry, I used the term "self-proclaimed fraud", which speaks of this. The reality is that there is "evil" in me. And there are many traits typically deemed "undesirable" which have in fact lead me to behave in ways that I regret. Often when the shadow takes over, and we behave in these undesirable ways, we often want to blame the environment, or say "I wasn't myself". In a religious context, we might put the "blame on the devil" for possessing us.
What is important to understand is that nothing can erupt within us if the seed isn't already present. If we deny the darker sides of who we are, we simply thicken our shadow. This is why, as Alan Watts aimed to point out, the most purist "goodie two-shoes" often end up as the biggest troublemakers. These have taken many forms in history such as with religious extremists waging ideological wars and forcing their vision of "goodness" upon others. The concept of "goodness", however, is simply a construct. It does not equal humaneness. "Humaneness" consists of both what we consider good and bad, as there can only be good when there is bad. After all, without bad, there is no basis for calling anything good. Thus being humane consists of the entire package of these ideas, including all of its ugliness.
Projection
Projection is the outer manifestation of the shadow. We recognize in others what we repress in ourselves. It's quite a logical reaction because traits we dislike in ourselves we automatically dislike in others. There are many examples of this, including things such as the paranoid spouse who blames their partner for cheating while they struggle with the secret, repressed guilt of having cheated themselves. There are many different versions of this same behaviour on both large and small levels.
It is important for us to learn to acknowledge and integrate unwanted traits into our daily lives and in a healthy way. This is to mitigate their harmful elements. We want to avoid letting them build up and over-take us. This lets us cultivate the positive, constructive aspects of our shadow such as creativity. But it requires a process of developing deeper self-awareness. For example, projection is actually an opportunity to discover things which have been repressed, by becoming mindful of our own reactions toward other people's characteristics which are a direct manifestation of the shadow. This process may ultimately help us make the unconscious conscious.
"If you imagine someone who is brave enough to withdraw all these projections, then you get an individual who is conscious of a pretty thick shadow. Such a man has saddled himself with new problems and conflicts. He has become a serious problem to himself, as he is now unable to say that they do this or that, they are wrong, and they must be fought against." - Carl Gustav Jung, Psychology and Religion: West and East (1938), Psychology and Religion, p 134
The integration of the shadow is a lifelong process. However, by making the unconscious conscious, we make the first step toward this integration. As a result, we learn to let go of our projections and see what lingers in the dark. The sight may be ugly, but we cannot work with what we cannot see.
"No doubt this also sounds very simple. In reality, however, the acceptance of the shadow-side of human nature verges on the impossible. Consider for a moment what it means to grant the right of existence to what is unreasonable, senseless, and evil! Yet it is just this that the modern man insists upon. He wants to live with every side of himself - to know what he is." - Carl Gustav Jung, Psychology and Religion: West and East (1938), Psychology and Religion, p 528
The reality is, the shadow is an inevitable part of our being. It is like a living organism, always in flux, and some of it has never been exposed to the light of day. This is why integration of it takes the whole of our lifetime. We can only illuminate parts of it, but as soon as we become aware of these parts, we are able to transmute them. When we expose our fears, we let them guide us into being courageous. Once we see our aggression, we can channel it into driven achievement. Once we are confronted with our creativity, we can incorporate it into our daily lives.
From the perspective of Jung, instead of trying to be the light and rejecting the dark, stand between both of them without judgement, so we can foster the wholesome humaneness of who we are, our potential to grow and flourish, and help others do the same.
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Manu wrote: How does a real-world Sith measure success? You mention passion leading to power, leading to victory. Do you believe a Sith can achieve victory through uncontrolled power, through unreined passion?
When we look at history and even recent history, we can see that emotions such as hatred and anger have led a man to surpass others and almost destroy the world. Admittedly his anger and hatred ended up being blind and we led to his loss, but the damage was considerable.
We can therefore deduce that a person's power can come from such emotions.
An angry opponent can win a fight quickly by using brute force over an unprepared opponent. Conversely, he can lose to a calm adversary prepared for combat.
For me the good and the bad is mainly a question of point of view, some think to do good but do bad and others think that an evil is necessary to do good. One cannot really judge the reasons but especially the acts. After revenge is considered an evil but for some it is "Normal".
Serial killers follow the Sith code without realizing it. They are driven by a thirst for anger, a form of power and control over their victims. Heads of state declare wars by sending soldiers, it is a form of thirst for control and sometimes anger.
If we look at the Jedi precepts, we can see that the dark side is present in each of us and unfortunately many on earth have rocked because they are by definition the opposite of everything we believe in.
I thank those who have already replied for their very informative sharing.
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Cheb wrote: When we look at history and even recent history, we can see that emotions such as hatred and anger have led a man to surpass others and almost destroy the world. Admittedly his anger and hatred ended up being blind and we led to his loss, but the damage was considerable.
We can therefore deduce that a person's power can come from such emotions.
Could you provide an example? I understand how will can transform into laser-sharp focus, and focus turns into success. But it still seems to me that this is harnessed emotion guiding the process.
Cheb wrote: Serial killers follow the Sith code without realizing it. They are driven by a thirst for anger, a form of power and control over their victims. Heads of state declare wars by sending soldiers, it is a form of thirst for control and sometimes anger.
Could you provide an example? I feel this statement is overgeneralizing the temperament and modus operandi of serial killers.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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This is the shameful secret of the Jedi: there is no dark side. The Force is One. The Force is everything, and everything is the Force. The Force does not take sides. The Force does not even have sides. Light and dark are no more than nomenclature: words that describe how little we understand. What you call the dark side is the raw, unrestrained Force itself: you call the dark side what you find when you give yourself over wholly to the Force. To be a Jedi is to control your passion... but Jedi control limits your power. Greatness—true greatness of any kind—requires the surrender of control. Passion that is guided, not walled away.
Leave your limits behind.
If your surrender leads to slaughter, that is not because the Force has darkness in it. It is because you do.
-- Matthew Stover (Traitor)
The truth is always greater than the words we use to describe it.
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