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04 Oct 2016 00:06 #259591
by RosalynJ
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Replied by RosalynJ on topic For Your Consideration... On Debate
I think people's opinions become an issue when those people have power over you. For example, there used to be a prevalent belief that African Americans were a fraction of a person (for the purposes of electing persons and writing legislation, and for the benefit of those who had ownership of African Americans who were enslaved.) and there was also a prevailing belief that women were to occupy only certain areas of society and were meant to be subject to men. There was at one point a very recent belief that individuals with disabilities ought to be locked away, and there is still some issue with getting our voices heard and our needs meant, by which I mean that there is a difficulty with freely navigating in society).
If I were to come to a place like the Temple and hear that African Americans were (for example) animals or should have remained slaves or that women need to occupy a certain place in society and need not apply to others or that individuals with disabilities are a drain on the system (which is something I hear a lot , not here, but other places) I don't think I would continue to engage with the people who held those views. If they were in a position of power that would directly affect my ability to engage here, I have the right to exit and what people think about my exit is none of my business. I would be more concerned about feeling welcomed, heard, and treated fairly.
I don't know what its like to be a trans individual and to feel unsafe handling a very natural process. One thing that I do know is that the progress is slow but it is moving. Not much of a consolation when you are dealing with the fear right now, but that is all that I can offer. I can also say that the best way to ensure that the policies, legislation and people that you need are voted in is to vote. I would also say don't be afraid to share what you are feeling. There are very few people on the extreme ends of arguments. Most people are in the middle (which would represent something like "I don't know/I dont have any feelings one way or the other/This does not affect me). These are the people you are trying to reach. The only way that you can reach them is by tellig your story. They need to know you.
In recent memory, I have only had to do this once at the temple: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/108740-who-s-responsibility?start=30#169996
I was quite angry and afraid and irritated, but my words were calm and measured. It made some step back and re-evaluate what they were saying. I don't know if this has been helpful, but I am trying my best
If I were to come to a place like the Temple and hear that African Americans were (for example) animals or should have remained slaves or that women need to occupy a certain place in society and need not apply to others or that individuals with disabilities are a drain on the system (which is something I hear a lot , not here, but other places) I don't think I would continue to engage with the people who held those views. If they were in a position of power that would directly affect my ability to engage here, I have the right to exit and what people think about my exit is none of my business. I would be more concerned about feeling welcomed, heard, and treated fairly.
I don't know what its like to be a trans individual and to feel unsafe handling a very natural process. One thing that I do know is that the progress is slow but it is moving. Not much of a consolation when you are dealing with the fear right now, but that is all that I can offer. I can also say that the best way to ensure that the policies, legislation and people that you need are voted in is to vote. I would also say don't be afraid to share what you are feeling. There are very few people on the extreme ends of arguments. Most people are in the middle (which would represent something like "I don't know/I dont have any feelings one way or the other/This does not affect me). These are the people you are trying to reach. The only way that you can reach them is by tellig your story. They need to know you.
In recent memory, I have only had to do this once at the temple: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/108740-who-s-responsibility?start=30#169996
I was quite angry and afraid and irritated, but my words were calm and measured. It made some step back and re-evaluate what they were saying. I don't know if this has been helpful, but I am trying my best
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04 Oct 2016 00:19 - 04 Oct 2016 00:23 #259593
by RosalynJ
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Replied by RosalynJ on topic For Your Consideration... On Debate
Jamie are you saying that as a trans individual you might be labeled with a mental health disorder? That is not without precident. I believe that Transgender (I forget what term was used) was a part of the DSM III and only recently removed (DSMIV-TR) but my facts may be wrong. There is a very real possibility that individuals are still working under that paradigm.
If not, what are you referring to? If it is too personal, you don't have to answer.
As for things being illegal, there is still very prevalent racial discrimination in employment. Studies have shown this. If proof is needed, I can link articles and other resources. Just because something is "illegal" doesn't mean its not practiced, sometimes unconsciously
If not, what are you referring to? If it is too personal, you don't have to answer.
As for things being illegal, there is still very prevalent racial discrimination in employment. Studies have shown this. If proof is needed, I can link articles and other resources. Just because something is "illegal" doesn't mean its not practiced, sometimes unconsciously
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