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15 Jul 2015 17:19 #197971 by
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First let me just start out by saying that this post is my personal opinion, and is not intended to be any sort of judgement of others based on the software they use.

I used to be mostly a Windows user, but would dabble with Linux from time to time, just enough to know that it seemed too unstable for me, and I would go back to Windows. Eventually in 2009 I got a Mac and loved OS X. However I eventually grew tired of it's inflexibility and Apple's general philosophy of locking a lot of things down, plus there were many games I simply couldn't play at the time - I built my own PC from the ground up and put windows on it, and have been generally very pleased with it up until the last few days.

It's becoming more and more obvious that Microsoft is trying to become more like Apple, and Apple is falling into some of MS's old confused habits. But I guess the the real thing I want to talk about is Free and Open Source Software and why I'm making the switch to GNU/Linux. Specifically right now I'm typing this on Ubuntu Gnome (I like the way Ubuntu for the most part just works really well with the majority of my hardware with little tweaking, but I dislike the Unity desktop environment in a huge way, and GNOME 3 just works well for my work flow).

For me, a huge part of of being a Jedi is the idea of community values, helping others (or even helping others to help themselves), and the spirit of cooperation over competition. I find this spirit is wonderfully embodied within the Free and Open Source Software movement, and do encourage others to give it some thought. It's not the kind of thing that one can easily do overnight however, I'm dual booting between this and Windows until I feel that I have learned enough to be confident to make the switch.

To be honest, my first choice was Trisquel, what is referred to as a distribution of "Libre" Linux, completely free of any proprietary software, codecs, or drivers. Unfortunately, it's not a very practical option for newcomers, and I had to make some sacrifices for the moment just to ensure a Linux distro that works well with my current hardware, which unfortunately means an NVIDIA graphics card which outputs sound to my monitor via HDMI, also MP3 support was kind of a must since don't know of any podcasts that use anything else as it's become a de-facto standard. Also I have Skype installed, which I'm not too pleased about - it being a Microsoft product and all.

But basically I'm trying to find that happy balance where I can support community values, and transparency wherever possible, helping to make a more connected and open global society. There will be a lot of learning involved - any others out there with experience and tips in working with GNU/Linux/FreeBSD/Etc. please feel free to chime in. I'd like for this thread to become a place where we can help each other in the spirit of cooperation and contribution, and who knows, maybe one day we might end up with our own group.

Let me know, I'm new at this, and any thoughts, perspectives, tips, and stories would be awesome to see/hear.

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15 Jul 2015 20:01 #197991 by
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I'm an Apple guy myself. I was a Genius for a few years. Apple is malleable if you are comfortable with terminal and don't use the sudo command too much and for the wrong things. If you're going Linux, I'd recommend getting used to terminal. You'll most likely spend a lot of time there. Apple's are basically a unix system with some different stuff cobbled in. I do agree that some of the simplicity of yesteryear is leaving the OS. But some new things are being built in that make up for it in a lot of ways. I've given a lot of thought to building a linux box recently too. Particularly a SlackWare box. Just as a media server though.

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15 Jul 2015 20:56 #197998 by
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6h057 wrote: I'm an Apple guy myself. I was a Genius for a few years. Apple is malleable if you are comfortable with terminal and don't use the sudo command too much and for the wrong things. If you're going Linux, I'd recommend getting used to terminal. You'll most likely spend a lot of time there. Apple's are basically a unix system with some different stuff cobbled in. I do agree that some of the simplicity of yesteryear is leaving the OS. But some new things are being built in that make up for it in a lot of ways. I've given a lot of thought to building a linux box recently too. Particularly a SlackWare box. Just as a media server though.


Yeah, I've got some basic command line knowledge but I definitely need to compile a good bash cheat sheet. I have a tendency to misplace words, and bash commands aren't immune from this. :dry:

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15 Jul 2015 21:10 - 15 Jul 2015 21:55 #198003 by
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CryojenX wrote: It's becoming more and more obvious that Microsoft is trying to become more like Apple, and Apple is falling into some of MS's old confused habits.


As I'm sure you're aware, there's always been some back and forth with both companies (in addition to others in the past, like Commodore/Amiga/Atari). :) At this point, it's sort of a "chicken or the egg" scenario. They often borrow from each other when it suits their needs or the needs of their users.

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First let me just start out by saying that this post is my personal opinion, and is not intended to be any sort of judgement of others based on the software they use.


Yeah, I generally stay out of any conversation that pits one computer or OS over another. It's all very personal and comes down to what makes sense to each individual, logically and intuitively.

Again, I really do like Linux. If you happen to find a good Linux solution that meets all of your needs, please let us know. I might at least go for a dual-boot configuration next time I update my hardware.

Good luck!
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15 Jul 2015 21:32 #198004 by
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When I tried Linux for the first time, I dove right in with both feet and didn't get back out until I was comfortable with installing some of the more difficult to install flavors (though I could never get the hang of Gentoo). Ubuntu has brought Linux pretty far, but not without community involvement. That's what I love about it, though -- community input which translates to approved, official release software. Now, I work on a Windows machine at work and a Mac at home. Now that the Mac OS is based off of BSD (loosely), I feel pretty comfortable with navigating and using the terminal, which uses BASH, btw. The circle completes. I get along with them all; no complaints. :)

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16 Jul 2015 16:39 #198045 by Whyte Horse
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I've been on Ubuntu for about 10 years. The only time I use bash is when I do server stuff. Since there's no designed obsolescence in Linux, all of my knowledge keeps building. Every year I see so many people on proprietary OSes go through the cycle of buying a new machine, upgrading, buying all new software, learning everything all over again. It's pretty sad really.

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16 Jul 2015 22:23 - 16 Jul 2015 22:26 #198066 by Adder
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Not really, I setup/ran Devian on a spare laptop in the late 90's, but then I ended up giving away each of my superseded computers to relo's who did not yet have a computer, and I just ran whatever was preinstalled (MS), prior to Win95 I was Mac OS, prior to Mac OS I learnt C64 programming, before that I was learning to read LOL. So unfortunately I haven't fiddled with Linux in over a decade
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I also agree with the free approach to the 'net (outside of deliberate commercial effort). I've given stuff away that I could have charged for (don't tell Ms Adder).
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To promote activity and growth in others, but with the partial self interest that it might also help me learn more from people who might join in. Nothing usually comes from nothing, which reminds me of the fake it till you make it concept.... in fact creating something is much more rewarding then just joining and following something IMO;

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16 Jul 2015 23:50 #198082 by
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I'm on HP-UX, AIX, and Red Hat machines all day at work and I have Win 8 on my home laptop (which I totally agree with Arcade's brief note about it).

I would like to be on an open source OS at home, but I've never really tried to do it. Never had powerful enough hardware (I felt like) to do the dual-boot route.

I'll probably just do the free upgrade from 8 to 10 and leave it at that for a while. I work on Windows Server OS' at work, too, and I def notice a difference on how many times Win systems have issues as compared to UNIX/Linux.

I don’t do anything fancy on my home laptop, I should just put Ubuntu on it and be done...

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17 Jul 2015 00:16 - 17 Jul 2015 00:17 #198085 by Whyte Horse
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LTK wrote: I would like to be on an open source OS at home, but I've never really tried to do it. Never had powerful enough hardware (I felt like) to do the dual-boot route.

I just got the new AMD APU from newegg and it keeps blowing my mind.It's called AMD A10-7850K Kaveri 12 Compute Cores (4 CPU + 8 GPU) 3.7GHz Socket FM2+ 95W AD785KXBJABOX Desktop Processor AMD Radeon R7 series.

Anyhoo, I run insane games on it. Even windows games. If the games/apps won't run under wine I can do it in a virtual machine. A complete system set me back $380(no monitor) so the price is right. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2389600

Oh and spend the extra $15 to get the good ram, it makes a big difference. Also if you can afford an SSD then more power to you

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17 Jul 2015 00:24 #198086 by
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LTK wrote: I would like to be on an open source OS at home, but I've never really tried to do it. Never had powerful enough hardware (I felt like) to do the dual-boot route.


Dual booting doesn't really require anything special in the hardware department, rather the main hiccup can be whether or not the distro you're looking at works out of the box (so to speak) with your already established hardware - often times some distros have difficulties with Nvidia graphics cards (though there are solutions) and KDE in particular has issues with a lot of sound hardware, but it's really more a KDE specific issue. Linux Mint is particularly popular and fairly easy to use, and since it's based on both Ubuntu and GNOME underpinning, has much better compatibility with these kinds of hardware, but also has a a choice of desktop environments that are very Windows-like in their appearance and functionality.

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