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Today had a sense of duty. He charged forward to bring about balance to "the Force". A Jedi Apprentice is someone training to become a Jedi, not someone who already is one. So in reality, Yoda did not become a Jedi until he received his knighting.

Alethea Thompson wrote: Yoda did not become a Jedi until he received his knighting.

If he had all his boyscout badges, walked 4000 old ladies across the road, spent 10,000 hours volunteering in soup kitchens, and hosted his own pre-youngling/padawan radioshow, would he have been knighted if he had no mastery of the force whatsoever?

Alethea Thompson wrote: Today had a sense of duty. He charged forward to bring about balance to "the Force". A Jedi Apprentice is someone training to become a Jedi, not someone who already is one. So in reality, Yoda did not become a Jedi until he received his knighting.

I'd probably disagree with that. I think in the fiction a Jedi is anyone who was in the Jedi Order, and to be in the Order required certain standards of Force sensitivity and commitment to the ideals etc. Padawan, Apprentice, Knight etc are just rank's of skill attainment and commitment, and therefore duty.

This is getting a bit off-topic now but I'll say it anyway: at TOTJO you do not have to be a knight to be a Jedi.

I happen to agree with Ren. That said, it's a matter of terminology (darn auto-correct, my phone is driving me nuts with it Today=Yoda for anyone that didn't catch that), Adder. Perhaps it would be better to make the statement that you are fully a Jedi when you become an apprentice. When Luke was learning the Jedi Arts, it was alluded that until he mastered the ways of the Jedi, he would not fully be a Jedi. Furthermore it is stated in Episode 1 by Qui-Gon to Anakin: "Anakin, training to be a Jedi will not be a easy challenge. And if you succeed, it will be a hard life." This is where I draw my conclusions from.

Now Maynoth, let's say he ONLY mastered "the Force"- and he didn't actively seek to be an active participant in giving back to the community he was sent out to support? Would he have become a knight then?

What you are missing, is that it's not an "either-or" situation. It's is the sum of ALL of it which makes you a Jedi. How that Force Mastery comes about will be in a myriad of different forms, not just the John Chang method.

Alethea Thompson wrote: Now Maynoth, let's say he ONLY mastered "the Force"- and he didn't actively seek to be an active participant in giving back to the community he was sent out to support? Would he have become a knight then?

What you are missing, is that it's not an "either-or" situation. It's is the sum of ALL of it which makes you a Jedi. How that Force Mastery comes about will be in a myriad of different forms, not just the John Chang method.

Well I still stick by my assertion, Jedi in the star wars universe all had force abilities gained via their training. Master yoda was old, but he didn't need any force Viagra to get his lightsaber activated. If all Yoda could was walk old ladies across the road and work part time at a soup kitchen he would have never made grandmaster.

I concede that being apart of the organization, working for the betterment of humanity, following moral codes and philosophies were apart of it as well.

Developing force abilities is the aspect of the Jedi religion that resonates with me, it doesn't resonate as strongly with you and that's cool too.

Enough off topic....

New thread coming soon....

New thread is here:

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