2012: The end? or the beginning?....

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15 Dec 2012 03:17 - 15 Dec 2012 03:18 #83963 by Shang Li
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Let's discuss some opinions and theories concerning 2012. I know a lot of people can't stand the topic, but let's all agree to be open and polite :)

I for one have never believed that we live in the "end times" despite growing up in a christian home. Since middle school I started to feel like we are in an age of awakening, where the general population has been seeking to break their chains, and follow their hearts.

I found a rather interesting article(link below) at the beginning of the year. Regardless of what your opinion is, or whether I believe this to be factual or not, this article is what inspired me to begin the process of clearing all emotional and mental negativity as well as attempting to shed my baser human aspects(And ultimately, I believe that is worth something. To me at least :P)

spiritlibrary.com/jim-self/the-simple-st...-of-the-shift-part-1
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15 Dec 2012 04:25 - 15 Dec 2012 04:25 #83966 by Wescli Wardest

Shang Li wrote: Regardless of what your opinion is, or whether I believe this to be factual or not, this article is what inspired me to begin the process of clearing all emotional and mental negativity as well as attempting to shed my baser human aspects(And ultimately, I believe that is worth something. To me at least :P)

If it is worth something to you then that is reason enough on its own. After all, you are the one that has to live with yourself. Many spend their entire lives without realizing a purpose. I am glad that you found something which gave you reason for action.

Now, what are you going to do with it? ;)

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15 Dec 2012 04:53 #83969 by SeanChing
In response the the original topic...

While I am not a firm believer in the December 21st 2012 Doomsday theory, I am at least very wary and cautious of it. In fact, I'm actually going to buy some extra cases of bottled water a few days before so that I can just relax a bit. If it doesn't happen (which I, and lots of you, think this is the case,) then at least I can drink the bottled water over time. It's not a waste of money, really.

There have been many theories proposed about what exactly will happen. Some believe that it will be natural disasters all over the world (which is what I'm wary of myself). Some believe that we will be visited by ancient aliens. Some believe that Christ will "return". Others have even proposed that the day will mark a universal transcendence of thinking - where we will all gain a type of sophisticated thinking only possible through an instant supernatural event, such as "Doomsday 2012".

If we all survive, I can give you this hint: you'll here something special from me. Not saying anymore than that - you'll find out ;)

(provided that internet is still working and we are all alive and healthy.)

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15 Dec 2012 05:46 #83971 by Zephyrus
When millions of people point their energy in fear... something is going to happen. Energy just doesn't not do anything. :P

Though, I doubt even all 7 billion people pointing their energy at the earth could make it blow up or something ridiculous. That would 20 billion gurus or something. haha.

But, really, don't underestimate the power of human fear. You may see hundreds of people crack and go on shooting rampages. You might see some evil scientist nuke the world. OR, you may see the fears manifest in some sort of weather tragedy. Also, though, it may not be exactly on the date. Could take a while. I dunno. I haven't had any particular premonitions about it.

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15 Dec 2012 11:09 #84006 by Akkarin
I must be God or something, because I have survived every single extinction event that has been thrown at me!

1992, Oct 28 Lee Rang Jim Lee, the leader of the Dami Mission in Seoul, predicted the Rapture on this day. South Korean officials took elaborate precautions against a mass suicide, posting 1,500 riot officers to monitor about a thousand followers who had gathered in the group's headquarters to await the Rapture. Their efforts were successful, although four group members had committed suicide in previous days.
1993 David Berg Berg predicted the tribulation would start in 1989 and that the Second Coming would take place in 1993.
1994, May 2 Neal Chase This Bahá'í sect leader predicted that New York would be destroyed by a nuclear bomb on March 23, 1994, and the Battle of Armageddon would take place 40 days later.
1994, Sep/Oct Harold Camping Camping predicted the Rapture would occur on September 6, 1994. When it failed to occur he revised the date to September 29 and then to October 2.
1995, Mar 31 Harold Camping Camping's fourth predicted date for the end. This would be Camping's last prediction until 2011.
1996, Dec 17 Sheldon Nidle California psychic Sheldon Nidle predicted that the world would end on this date, with the arrival of 16 million space ships and a host of angels.
1997, Mar 26 Marshall Applewhite Applewhite, leader of the Heaven's Gate cult, claimed that a spacecraft was trailing the Comet Hale-Bopp and argued that suicide was "the only way to evacuate this Earth" so that the cult members' souls could board the supposed craft and be taken to another "level of existence above human". Applewhite and 38 of his followers committed mass suicide.
1997, Oct 23 James Ussher This 17th-century Irish Archbishop predicted this date to be 6000 years since Creation, and therefore the end of the world.
1998, Mar 31 Hon-Ming Chen Hon-Ming Chen, leader of the Taiwanese cult God's Salvation Church, or Chen Tao — "The True Way" — claimed that God would come to Earth in a flying saucer at 10:00 am on this date. Moreover, God would have the same physical appearance as Chen himself. On March 25, God was to appear on Channel 18 on every TV set in the US. Chen chose to base his cult in Garland, Texas, because he thought it sounded like "God's Land."
1999 Seventh-day Adventists Some literature distributed by Seventh Day Adventists predicted the end in this year.
Charles Berlitz This linguist predicted the end would occur in this year. He did not predict how it would occur, stating it may involve nuclear devastation, asteroid impact, pole shift or other earth changes.
1999, Jul Nostradamus A prediction attributed to Nostradamus stating the "King of Terror" would come from the sky in "1999 and seven months" led to fears of the end.
1999, Aug 18 The Amazing Criswell The predicted date of the end of the world, according to this psychic well known for false predictions.
1999, Dec 31 Hon-Ming Chen Hon-Ming Chen's cult God's Salvation Church, now relocated to upstate New York, preached that a nuclear holocaust would destroy Europe and Asia sometime between October 1 and December 31, 1999.
'Before' 2000 Hal Lindsey After his 1980's predictions failed to come true, Lindsay published the book Planet Earth 2000 A.D. in 1994, which stated that Christians should not plan to still be on earth by the year 2000.
James Gordon Lindsay This preacher predicted the tribulation would begin before the year 2000.
Texe Marrs This conspiracy theorist stated that the last days could "wrap up by the year 2000."
Timothy Dwight IV This President of Yale University foresaw the Millennium starting by 2000.
Jehovah's Witnesses In 1971, and again in 1984, the Jehovah's Witnesses stated the end would be before the end of the 20th century.
2000 - c. Peter Olivi This 13th-century theologian wrote that the Antichrist would come to power between 1300 and 1340, and the Last Judgement would take place around 2000.
Helena Blavatsky The founder of Theosophy foresaw the end of the world in this year.
Isaac Newton Newton predicted that Christ's Millennium would begin in the year 2000 in his book Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John.
Ruth Montgomery This self-described Christian psychic predicted the Earth's axis would shift and the Antichrist would reveal himself in this year.
Edgar Cayce This psychic predicted the Second Coming would occur this year.
Sun Myung Moon The founder of the Unification Church predicted the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year.
Ed Dobson This pastor predicted the end would occur in his book The End: Why Jesus Could Return by A.D. 2000.
Lester Sumrall This minister predicted the end in his book I Predict 2000.
Jonathan Edwards This 18th-century preacher predicted that Christ's thousand-year reign would begin in this year.
2000, Jan 1 Various Predictions of a Y2K computer bug were to crash many computers and would malfunction causing major catastrophes worldwide and that society would cease to function. Year 2000 problem
Credonia Mwerinde, Joseph Kibweteere An estimated 778 followers of this Ugandan religious movement perished in a devastating fire and a series of poisonings and killings that were either a group suicide or an orchestrated mass murder by group leaders after their predictions of the apocalypse failed to come about.
Jerry Falwell Falwell foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day.
Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins These Christian authors stated the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached however they changed their minds.
2000, April 6 James Harmston The leader of the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days predicted the Second Coming of Christ would occur on this day.
2000, May 5 Nuwaubian Nation This movement claimed that the planetary lineup would cause a "star holocaust," pulling the planets toward the sun on this day.
2000, Oct 9 Grant Jeffrey This bible teacher suggested this date as the "probable termination point for the 'last days.'"
2001 Tynetta Muhammad This columnist for the Nation of Islam predicted the end would occur in this year.
2003, May Nancy Lieder Lieder originally predicted the date for the Nibiru collision as May 2003. According to her website, aliens in the Zeta Reticuli star system told her through messages via a brain implant of a planet which would enter our solar system and cause a pole shift on earth that would destroy most of humanity.
2003, Nov 29 Aum Shinrikyo This Japanese cult predicted the world would be destroyed by a nuclear war between October 30 and November 29, 2003.
2006, Sep 12 House of Yahweh Yisrayl Hawkins, Pastor and Overseer, The House of Yahwah, Abilene, Texas in the Feb. 2006 newsletter predicted the start of nuclear war on September 12, 2006.
2007, Apr 29 Pat Robertson In his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth's destruction.
2008, Sep 10 – c. Various A number of groups claimed that activation of the Large Hadron Collider experiment would bring about the end of the world through the production of planet-eating micro black holes or strangelets. Similar claims were made about 2010, March 30, when the collider reached maximum energy. See safety of particle collisions at the Large Hadron Collider.
2010 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn This magic order predicted the world would end in this year.
2011, May 21 Harold Camping Camping predicted that the Rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world's population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21. 2011 end times prediction
2011, Aug–Oct Various There were fears amongst the public that Comet Elenin travelling almost directly between Earth and the Sun would cause disturbances to the Earth's crust, causing massive earthquakes and tidal waves. Others predicted that Elenin would collide with Earth on October 16. Scientists tried to calm fears by stating that none of these events were possible.
2011, Sep 29 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July of 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. After his prophecy failed to come true he changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012.
2011, Oct 21 Harold Camping When his original date failed to come about, Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a "Spiritual Judgment" took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011. 2011 end times prediction
2012, May 27 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day.
2012, June 30 José Luis de Jesús José Luis de Jesús predicted that the world's governments and economies would fail on this day, and that he and his followers would undergo a transformation that would allow them to fly and walk through walls.


And dammit that is just a quarter of the list! :D

So no. I am not worried in the slightest and nor do I think that any great change is upon us, nothing greater than anything else that has happened in the past

If you want some 'great change' to happen go out and make it happen! Don't wait for some 'prophecy' to be fulfilled!

(This post length is intentionally as ridiculous and annoying as the predictions it lists)

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15 Dec 2012 11:32 #84007 by Akkarin

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it except for one man, but the tree falls on that man and kills him, does the man dying make a sound?" - Jon Lajoie

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15 Dec 2012 14:44 #84035 by Shang Li
Replied by Shang Li on topic 2012: The end? or the beginning?....

Connor Lidell wrote: When millions of people point their energy in fear... something is going to happen. Energy just doesn't not do anything. :P


I completely agree with that. That's why I've been participating in daily/weekly/monthly global meditations(combined with tens of thousands of others worldwide) to project out loving energy to counter the fear.

Connor Lidell wrote: But, really, don't underestimate the power of human fear.


Never have, but I don't warrant that energy the power to affect me. Affirmation can be a wonderful thing. Also never underestimate the power of Love and positive energy :)

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15 Dec 2012 14:57 #84041 by Shang Li

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15 Dec 2012 16:48 #84055 by RyuJin
It's both....

The end of one cycle and beginning of the next cycle

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15 Dec 2012 23:24 #84118 by Shang Li
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If you want to understand the actual Mayan beliefs on the topic, you can watch this documentary that just came out. You can watch it for free at by clicking the link below. It's only free until the twenty-first. I really enjoyed it. It seemed to be put together pretty well.

www.shiftoftheages.com/watch-now/

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