"Beepocalypse" is over?

  • Jestor
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Banned
  • Banned
  • What you want to learn, determines your teacher ..
More
11 Aug 2015 11:16 - 11 Aug 2015 11:18 #199638 by Jestor

Part of the message is hidden for the guests. Please log in or register to see it.

On walk-about...

Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....


"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching


Rite: PureLand
Former Memeber of the TOTJO Council
Master: Jasper_Ward
Current Apprentices: Viskhard, DanWerts, Llama Su, Trisskar
Former Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Knight Edan, Knight Brenna, Knight Madhatter
Attachments:
Last edit: 11 Aug 2015 11:18 by Jestor.
The following user(s) said Thank You: PatrickB

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 Aug 2015 12:50 #199639 by
Replied by on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
Simple correlation: more Jedi, more bees. 8)

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
11 Aug 2015 16:42 - 11 Aug 2015 16:44 #199664 by J_Roz
Replied by J_Roz on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
I'd really question this article. Even here in the area my local bee club that includes the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, All of Northern Wisconsin and Northern Minnesota sees a 40-80% loss of bees every year so I don't think so. We are not in a heavily pesticide use area either. This spring I had 100% loss, so I would like to see more information from this author.

"O Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence"

Kaylee: How come you don't care where you're going?
Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.
Firefly Series

Apprenticed to: Phortis Nespin
Apprentices: None Currently
Last edit: 11 Aug 2015 16:44 by J_Roz.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Jestor, Tarran

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
11 Aug 2015 16:46 - 11 Aug 2015 17:02 #199665 by Whyte Horse
Replied by Whyte Horse on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
I think we've managed to stabilize bee populations by refusing to pollinate certain crops that are known to use neonicotinoid pesticides. My local beekeepers manage to keep their losses down to about 3% by using new beekeeping practices. The thing that the article fails to mention is that beekeepers lost almost half their bees this year, it just wasn't in the winter.


Me, personally, I lost 100% of my bees in 2013 because they were next to a commercial apple orchard that would drive by and spray them. In 2015 I bought new bees(at 20% higher cost) and moved them to the opposite side of our property in a fenced apiary surrounded by 100% organic polyculture farm. So far they're thriving and rarely leave the property. Our crops that require pollination have exploded with fruit. They're getting all their anti-viral and anti-bacterial agents directly from our plants like spearmint, peppermint, lavendar, etc.

Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
Last edit: 11 Aug 2015 17:02 by Whyte Horse.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Jestor, J_Roz, Tarran

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
11 Aug 2015 17:24 #199672 by J_Roz
Replied by J_Roz on topic Re:"Beepocalypse" is over?
I think too smaller bee keepers are really focusing on breeding healthy survivor populations. I am working with a master keeper who has done no treatments on his bees for over five years. He does mite counts and checks constantly but has zero problems. In the north here where we get extremes in winter weather we are only breeding populations that can survive the harsh conditions. Three of my hives have come from survivor winter stock. They don't produce as much honey but are strong and winter well. I'm curious to see how my Italians out of the Carolinas will do. This is not their native region. However if they do survive I'll be splitting them next spring with queens I will raise from the rest of my stock. Or buy from a friend who is also a local keeper.

"O Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence"

Kaylee: How come you don't care where you're going?
Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.
Firefly Series

Apprenticed to: Phortis Nespin
Apprentices: None Currently
The following user(s) said Thank You: Jestor, Tarran

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 Aug 2015 17:28 #199673 by
Replied by on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
It all sounds ok for managed bees, but how are wild bees faring?

This is only half the story.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
11 Aug 2015 17:32 - 11 Aug 2015 17:42 #199674 by J_Roz
Replied by J_Roz on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
No one has ever investigated wild honey bees. As far as I know (at least around here) they do not survive the winter. Honey bees are not native to North America, so wild populations from swarms might survive but they are extremely rare. If one does catch a swarm guaranteed they are from another bee keeper.

I stand corrected. They are finally starting to look at Wild bee populations.
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/bee.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140711-wild-bees-north-america-honeybees-science/

"O Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence"

Kaylee: How come you don't care where you're going?
Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.
Firefly Series

Apprenticed to: Phortis Nespin
Apprentices: None Currently
Last edit: 11 Aug 2015 17:42 by J_Roz.
The following user(s) said Thank You: , Tarran

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
12 Aug 2015 04:05 - 12 Aug 2015 04:06 #199715 by Tarran
Replied by Tarran on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?

Jedi_Roz wrote: I'd really question this article. Even here in the area my local bee club that includes the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, All of Northern Wisconsin and Northern Minnesota sees a 40-80% loss of bees every year so I don't think so. We are not in a heavily pesticide use area either. This spring I had 100% loss, so I would like to see more information from this author.


Yeah, you lost a few colonies a while back, iirc.. didn'tchya, Roz? That must be difficult to bounce back from, I'd imagine.

When I was growin' up on my cousin's farm back in the '80s, we had 12 hives - had the occasional swarm, but not the problems that hit apiaries today...

...has it been very harsh, bouncing back/upkeep?

Apprentice to J. K. Barger
Last edit: 12 Aug 2015 04:06 by Tarran.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
13 Aug 2015 15:28 - 13 Aug 2015 15:30 #199878 by J_Roz
Replied by J_Roz on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
I did. Three were to my error of trying to deal with very mean bees and the the fourth one was my Russian hive that made it all the way through the nasty winter but died this spring. I have no idea why. I am guessing starvation even thought they had sugar candy and pollen patties.

It wasn't hard other than the financial hit. Because it was not disease I could reuse the equipment so that was not a total loss. When you suspect CCD you have to burn everything. It really depends on your area and situation. Like Whitehorse said. Sometimes it's a an easy fix and sometimes not

"O Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence"

Kaylee: How come you don't care where you're going?
Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.
Firefly Series

Apprenticed to: Phortis Nespin
Apprentices: None Currently
Last edit: 13 Aug 2015 15:30 by J_Roz.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Jestor

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
13 Aug 2015 20:48 - 13 Aug 2015 20:52 #199915 by Whyte Horse
Replied by Whyte Horse on topic "Beepocalypse" is over?
I'm trying the Italian bees this year. 2013 was Corniolan but the guy I bought the cornies from was the one with 3% loss so it wasn't weak bees.

I also observe wild bees. We have bumblebees and wasps around here. I always find dead bumblebees at the same time I find the dead bees(when the neighbors spray the flowering orchards). I think the guy that does the spraying is from guatemala and has no clue what he's doing. Probably only gets $300/mo to run the orchards.

Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
Last edit: 13 Aug 2015 20:52 by Whyte Horse.
The following user(s) said Thank You: J_Roz

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Moderators: ZeroMorkanoRiniTaviKhwang