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Edan wrote: It appears I was wrong... just seen an advert for a Mars bar and now I cannot stop craving chocolate
What I do is make my own; cacao and honey, mixed = sauce. I'm also trying to avoid white sugar at all costs.
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den385 wrote: Cyan, I'm quite a shopaholic myself, although I manage it pretty ok. Shopping is a painkiller. It's symptomatic.
The real thing that induces this symptoms, the root cause - that's what matters. I know mine and constantly work on it. Otherwise, there will be no cure from neither root cause nor symptoms.
While working on a root cause (which is always individual), the following strategies & tactics help me:
1) limit your spendings; it may sound odd, but I find it irresponsible to live in credit; I spend from debet only
2) have a buffer, some "retardant amount" - it's more advanced tech than (1)
3) spend on things you really need, really use, really love; make each buying a quest for optimality, a pursuit of a shopaholic grail. investigate what you buy deeply. investigate how it is made. make this a domain of knowledge.
4) I also bring in some meditative aspect into this: find not only a quality and nice thing. Not only know from what it is made and how the market worket and so on. But find things that inspire you. Things that lift your mood. Things that express you. And it must not matter if they are not popular and not expensive or marketed actively.
5) With time and work on root cause, fixation on things will evaporate. And you will still have some useful stuff and useful knowledge.
This all might sound pretty stupid and consumerism-ish, but the point is to bend addiction into something useful. To find zen solution until you have found a Jedi one (the one which will redeem you of the root cause).
Thank you, a lot of great points raised in this post. I, too, believe that my consumerism is some sort of replacement action for something that's missing / incomplete in my life. I believe it has to do with balance - I have a job that I like and I feel very comfortable at home. But both aspects tend to be overwhelming at times, crushing the bubble in between. My task is likely going to be to expand that bubble so it can't be crushed that easily anymore.
As for the strategies: makes a lot of sense. In a way, I'm forced to do that anyway as my finances demand for a more restrictive spending policy at the moment and perhaps I should use that as a starting point.
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Today was a bit of a failure... I was hungry all day and none of my healthy snacks were cutting it. I didn't eat any chocolate (mostly cos I couldn't go anywhere to get some) but I ended up having 3 teas with sugar in that my client brought me.
Although it was never my intention to lose weight, having been the same weight for about 4 years, in the last week since I started this I've lost 4 pounds. I guess I always thought I didn't really eat much chocolate and sugary things, but apparently the opposite is true.
If my sister keeps eating kit kats in front of me though there may be an issue!
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So I'm back at the office this week with my decaff coffee... no sugary tea in sight.
The longer I do this the harder it gets. I'm not doing very well with this 'cold turkey' thing.. I went out for dinner Thursday with my dad.. I ended up having ice-cream for dessert.. however it actually tasted pretty sickly and I didn't eat all of it.
On the other hand though, right this moment, I want chocolate. I just want it. Damn that sugaryness
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I'm finding myself really hungry most of the time now... yesterday I was so hungry in the evening I think I may have gone a little crazy for a while.
I'm trying to swap the sugary stuff for other food but I'm keen not to replace it all with carbs which is almost as bad.
So I've gone from fine, to craving, to hungry. It's been an eye opener but the hunger is very off putting.
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For everyone experiencing food or sugar addictions:Connor L. wrote: Still not doing great. lol.
I know my body, and it feels like opening the flood gates a little has forced them open a lot.
I beat mine and here's how... I flew to the other side of the planet and lived in the jungle. I'm not saying that you necessarily have to do that but you can replicate the experience which I believe led to my outcome:
1.) The food all came from the local markets which means it was organic, fresh, in season, and had no additives like salt, "natural flavouring"(aka MSG), preservatives, etc.
2.) I prepared everything from scratch meaning I knew if there was salt or sugar in my food
3.) I consumed way more food by volume than when I was in the US, yet I never got fat and never felt hungry all the time.
After I came back to the US I got all fat again and felt hungry all day. Eventually I figured out that "natural flavouring" tricks your body into overproducing insulin. Ask any doctor and they will tell you that diabetics should steer clear of MSG. What really freaked me out is how nearly all products contain it now. Coke, pepsi, hell they even inject it into chicken breasts!
It's speculated that the hormone leptin may be involved in weight gain, as those who consumed more MSG also produced more leptin.ii Researchers noted that MSG consumption may cause leptin resistance. The way your body stores fat is a highly regulated process that is controlled, primarily, by leptin. If you gain excess weight, the extra fat produces extra leptin that should alert your brain that your body is storing too much fat and needs to burn off the excess.
To do this, signals are sent to your brain to stop being hungry and to stop eating.
It is very important that your brain is able to accurately "hear" the messages leptin sends it, as otherwise you will continue to feel hungry and will likely continue to eat and store more fat. Leptin resistance occurs when your body is unable to properly respond to leptin's signals, which means your body can no longer hear the messages telling it to stop eating and burn fat -- so it remains hungry and stores more fat.
This will not only contribute to your weight gain, but also increase your risk of many chronic illnesses, as leptin resistance plays a significant, if not primary, role in heart disease, obesity, diabetes, osteoporosis, autoimmune diseases, reproductive disorders, and perhaps the rate of aging itself. How does this all happen? By overexposure to high levels of the hormone, which is triggered by the typical American diet full of sugar, refined grains, and processed foods -- including those that contain MSG.
Animal studies have also shown that dietary MSG induces markers of insulin resistance,iii a direct cause of type 2 diabetes, while prior research by Ka He and colleagues found the additive may increase your likelihood of being overweight by three-fold.iv
Similarly, one reason for aspartame's potential to cause weight gain is because phenylalanine and aspartic acid – the two amino acids that make up 90 percent of aspartame -- are known to stimulate the rapid release of insulin and leptin, which are both intricately involved with satiety and fat storage. Insulin and leptin are also the primary hormones that regulate your metabolism. So even though you're not eating calories in the form of sugar, aspartame can still raise your insulin and leptin levels. Elevated insulin and leptin levels, in turn, are two of the driving forces behind obesity, diabetes, and a number of our current chronic disease epidemics.
Why Our Food is Making Us Fat
It's likely that the cumulative effects of food additives in a highly processed diet are in large part to blame for the rising rates of obesity in the United States and other developed countries. This includes not only MSG and aspartame, which the featured study showed work synergistically to cause even more health damage, but also other ubiquitous food additives like corn and sugar.
Indeed, corn's weight-promoting property is highly prized in animal husbandry where it is used to fatten up cattle before slaughter. Corn oil is commonly used in fried foods, which are notorious for their ability to pack on the pounds. But corn's main deleterious effects come from high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), which is used in so many processed foods that it's now almost impossible to avoid thanks in large part to the collusion between the food industry and government that serves to provide lavish subsidies to grow corn, which manipulate normal market forces.
Ultimately, sugar in all forms (including fructose, date sugar, molasses, coconut sugar, agave syrup, HFCS, etc.) increases your insulin and leptin levels and decreases receptor sensitivity for both of these vital hormones, and this is another major factor in premature aging and age-related chronic degenerative diseases such as heart disease and diabetes, as well as a leading cause of the climbing rates of overweight and obesity in developed countries. So while MSG and aspartame in diet foods should certainly be avoided, the answer isn't to simply swap them out for sugar-laden processed alternatives...
Anyway, I have come up with a few simple rules that help me:
1. Never eat processed foods. If it comes in a can or a box, it's processed.
2. Prepare all your food yourself. This is tricky but just read the labels on everything you buy. You would think it would be hard to sell bread loaded with chemicals but almost all breads are loaded.
3. Get everything organic and in-season. If you wan organic tomatoes in January you're going to pay an arm and a leg but in August they are dirt cheap. One trick to watch out for is when grocers sell you last year's fruit that was picked before ripe and then slowly ripened in a fridge over the course of a year. This fruit will taste like ass yet look like it was fresh picked and they usually roll it out right before the current year's crops come into season.
Once you get the hang of things you can eat like a pig all day and you won't be fat and constantly starving. I've been doing this and perfecting it over the past 4 years and now my Dr. gave me an amazing bill of health. No more high blood pressure(probably caused by salt), no more high cholesterol(I eat eggs and bacon every day), I can go 8hrs without feeling hungry, no more diarrhea, etc.
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a quote from the article
"Incorporating the resistant starch into meals produced some amazing results. First, I noticed that my late afternoon drop in energy disappeared along with the craving for sugar. I surmised that my glycemic level had stabilized. In addition, I found myself satisfied much longer after meals and almost disinterested in eating when the next mealtime arrived."
ive been looking around and people seem to agree that resistant starch is a legit thing - not just a fad
i dont know if this will help anyone but when i read it i thought i should share it here
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When I went to Germany last year, I ate like crap. I ate fried things, beer every day, rice with every meal, burgers, asian food... Just a horrible diet. But I came back to the USA and I had actually lost weight. Lol. I could only surmise that American food is just SO bad that simply replacing some of the chemicals with more natural forms of the same crap would lead to weight loss.
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Travelling burns a lot of calories and yeah our food is really bad here. I was really shocked at how difficult it is to get fresh foods in the US as opposed to every other country I've visited. Maybe it has to do with the revolving door between gov't and private industry.Connor L. wrote: Funny story I should add:
When I went to Germany last year, I ate like crap. I ate fried things, beer every day, rice with every meal, burgers, asian food... Just a horrible diet. But I came back to the USA and I had actually lost weight. Lol. I could only surmise that American food is just SO bad that simply replacing some of the chemicals with more natural forms of the same crap would lead to weight loss.
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This thread is awesome! excellent idea.
It's been a while, about 2 years and a month or so (May 2013). Still, it was a struggle and i still have cravings sometimes.
if anyone needs someone to listen and not judge, just ask. Im always happy to render any assistance i can
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There are jaffa cakes... I can see them, they are my favourite, and I'm struggling not to eat any.
I almost gave in a moment ago.
Very hard today. No sugar!
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But then I started working at Target. And they had me coming in at odd hours 3am to many times 3pm. Waking up at 2am to get to work everyday was a killer on so many healthy things and Caffeine was my only way of staying alive while my bosses overworked me long past my agreed upon hours. (Supposed to leave work at 8am....yea right
)Then I had kids. (The first two weeks of parenthood was hell...)
And i haven't been able to quit since. It has become my Stress Blanket. It is my treat for dealing with it all day.
I am doing much better though. I am down to only drinking half the can's instead of full can's and I have switched my taste from the heavily caffeinated (monster) to the lightly caffeinated one's (KickStarts). Slow progress but still progress.
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Kitsu Tails wrote: I am doing much better though. I am down to only drinking half the can's instead of full can's and I have switched my taste from the heavily caffeinated (monster) to the lightly caffeinated one's (KickStarts). Slow progress but still progress.
You could try having every other one as a caffeine free; both coke and pepsi do caffeine free versions of their drinks; exactly the same taste but without the caffeine. I think coke's come in a white can, and pepsi's in a gold one.
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.My biggest problem is. I only "Need" (And i use need loosely) a couple of sips. The rest I finish simply because it's there. America is terrible with their size's. I wish they commonly sold the mini can's of energy drinks.
No.....The way I have been slowly solving my caffeine intake is by replacing it with Gatorade. I have a huge can of the powder so I fill up a large bottle of diluted Gatorade and put it in hand's reach so that whenever i get thirsty I have that right there.
Better then pop/soda anyways
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Anyhoo, this is my first morning where I feel comfortable being out of bed, but my muscles are still burning from sugar-related inflammation. And I know tonight is going to be wrought with terrible insomnia, but I have to get back off of this stuff. Wish me luck.
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The day I "quit" I bought a 25 oz water bottle and have since been downing two to three of those a day. I think that's been helping.
I had quit rather successfully last year and then things got stressful at work and I fell of the wagon. I fell pretty hard too. Things aren't quite calmed down yet but the end is in sight and even if it wasn't I would still quit because I don't like the idea of needing something to help me feel good. Makes me feel like a hypocrite when I think about my views on alcohol or other drugs, and I really dislike feeling like a hypocrite.
In the words of Red Green, "I'm pulling for you, we're all in this together." :laugh:
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