Jesus Christ

I am considered white, and am against no race, or religion... Apologize for giving that impression, just looking for understanding... No meaning to be misleading... I am anti lies, anti deceit... I will leave this discussion for those who know better, I can only trust my own history anyhow... Peace

Star Forge wrote: I'm a racialist white person who fully admits that Isa/Jesus was a Semite, not an Aryan/white.

that's why when you aren't talking about beating your wife or boasting about "ass" you are actually pretty smart. At least in this aspect of history

Llama Su wrote: So he (Jesus)has Jewish culture and Jewish heritage, being born in Israel/Palestine...
He was dark skinned... If it even matters...
The uneducated need to be taught, This is why I say the "real" Hebrew Israelites, because some claim this heritage, and are not...

Also where did I say he was " light skinned"?

I said he was arab, arabs often have dark skin but the ethnic group of arabs are actually considered white. You weren't talking about " dark skin" you blatantly said black...which isn't arabic or semitic, ethnically. Now granted there can be arabs and semites who are black but they would not be of the original lineages of palestine.

I don't think what race Jesus was matters, you only have to look at the bible...

Galatians 3:28. (KJV).
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

and then jump to

JEDI BELIEVE
"In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin."

Both the Christian and Jediist teachings say the same thing, we are ONE and the same all bound within the force (or christ) as you will.

Leandros Von wrote: I don't think what race Jesus was matters, you only have to look at the bible...

Galatians 3:28. (KJV).
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

and then jump to

JEDI BELIEVE
"In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin."

Both the Christian and Jediist teachings say the same thing, we are ONE and the same all bound within the force (or christ) as you will.

I'm not doing this because I have to or feel the need to lol. I do it because this interests me and I like history.

sidvkili wrote: I'm not doing this because I have to or feel the need to lol. I do it because this interests me and I like history.

You mistake me Sidvkili, I was not questioning anyone's motive, merely stating an observation of my own, I thought this was the point of a discussion ??

Leandros Von wrote: I don't think what race Jesus was matters, you only have to look at the bible...

Galatians 3:28. (KJV).
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

and then jump to

JEDI BELIEVE
"In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin."

Both the Christian and Jediist teachings say the same thing, we are ONE and the same all bound within the force (or christ) as you will.

I don't either. But you have to consider the context. I could say "Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jew," which is my belief, and that's just an objective statement to me. I don't attach any special significance to the fact that he was a Jew.

On the other hand, a Christian Zionist, of the kind that are in no short supply here in the USA, would say "Jesus was a Jew so we need to support Israel no matter what," or even "Jesus was a Jew so we need to kill all Muslims, because one of the Five Pillars of Islam is the extermination of Jews." I wish I was kidding.

One could say "Jesus was white because he had Amorite heritage." And another could say "Jesus was white because Jews are the scum of the earth and are all swindlers and only whites have souls, and whites are the true Israelites," as is preached in the Christian Identity Movement.

I'm a Muslim, so this is not an extremely heated debate for me. Isa is one of my most revered prophets, but as a Muslim living in America, I've had to learn not to get angry over religious discussions, or I would have lost it by now

Leandros Von wrote:

sidvkili wrote: I'm not doing this because I have to or feel the need to lol. I do it because this interests me and I like history.

You mistake me Sidvkili, I was not questioning anyone's motive, merely stating an observation of my own, I thought this was the point of a discussion ??

one already given before in the very discussion, old son

Star Forge wrote:

Leandros Von wrote: I don't think what race Jesus was matters, you only have to look at the bible...

Galatians 3:28. (KJV).
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

and then jump to

JEDI BELIEVE
"In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin."

Both the Christian and Jediist teachings say the same thing, we are ONE and the same all bound within the force (or christ) as you will.

"Jesus was a Jew so we need to kill all Muslims, because one of the Five Pillars of Islam is the extermination of Jews." I wish I was kidding.

none of the five pillars says to kill all jews

sidvkili wrote: one already given before in the very discussion, old son

But by someone else, not me, I wasn't throwing it in there to open it for discussion, just stating that the overall impression I get from it is that it doesn't matter so why is it that we care so much about it ??

The question we should be asking ourselves is not "what colour was jesus", but "why do we place such importance on his ethnic origin".

To me the answer is a simple one, because we have been raised in a society that has not yet learned to be tolerant of other races, sure we are making progress in this regard but take America for example, there were still folk who thought it outrageous that a Black Man should be President... you may think yourself not racist but if your own daughter come home wearing a Burka and introducing her new Islamic boyfriend I'm sure there would be a pang of "wait a minute this isn't right" this is not what I had intended for my daughter, I myself know that this is the case for me at least, there would be a point of me feeling racial hatred born of my ego, this is due to me growing up in a time where anyone of color was still looked upon as different, I can't believe looking back now that my gran / grandad / stepfather would without thinking answer "she's run away with a darkie" when I questioned where my mother was.

I can acknowledge this though, this racist seed planted in my persona when i was younger allowing myself insight into where I am wrong in my thinking, giving me the opportunity to adjust my attitude towards the subject to the one where I judge the man on his character and the way he treats my daughter, not his creed or the color of his skin.

I think sometimes to do the right thing we have to admit to ourselves that our thinking is wrong, it's only when we stop to reflect that we see the bigger picture.

But this however has veered of topic so I'll leave you guys to your discussion.