Your religion is fiction

Confrontation? Hmmm makes me wonder if reconciliation is the dichotomy to confrontation, sharing a root perhaps of interaction.

MagnusD wrote:

Proteus wrote: While this is a very interesting topic, I find myself wondering if there is any certain assumption you have about Jediism (or just TOTJO) behind it?

Assumptions... I have some, though I do try to temper them with an open mind, so that I can let them go once more information is available to take their place.

I'm guessing what you're really asking is whether I assume you're just obsessed fans trying to float X-Wings (Lego models maybe?) with your mind.
No.

Clearly you all chose the Jedi from Star Wars as your inspiration, which I suppose in part is why this post seemed relevant to this forum, but both the fictional Jedi and the doctrine on this site shows clear links to Eastern philosophy, and some references that link into out ancient Western cultures and beliefs; though perhaps that is because both are paths in the same direction.

My assumption here is that you are like most people, trying to make sense of the world around you, trying to find a path that you can follow, and unlike many, forging your own when needed.

I have never seen Star Wars.

Mareeka wrote:
I have never seen Star Wars.

but but but.... how will you understand the jokes and bad puns?!

Agreed, you'll reach Alderaan conclusions! :blink:

Lykeios wrote:

Kaverael wrote:

Clif Note version: Your title is confrontational, but you make some good points.

Let us not forget one simple fact: Life IS confrontation.

I don't think confrontational is the correct word. Challanging may be better. If you beliefs are challange and you can't defend they the you need to rethink stuff. Challange is good. Most don't like being challanged. It makes them feel uncomfortable. I see that as insecurity.

Kaverael wrote: Magnus,

I think you are getting some blowback from this because the title is stated as a fact - "your religion is fiction."

To quote from Star Wars, Qui Gon says - "Jedis do not deal in absolutes."

None of us really knows what exactly is going on inside, and outside this universe. We use the things that influence us in this world, and come up with a "best guess" on what it is that is happening. Many people see it through the eyes of one of the many, numerous religions, while others judge it only on what they see and can scientifically prove. Either way, what they believe is the fact of their existence, and no two people have the same experience.

So to come here and to drop down the gauntlet of your opinion, and state is as fact, is an affront to some people, especially since you are seen as a guest here.

Judging by your last post, I get the sense that you too are searching for path to follow, and want to know if this is the place for you. For that, I must commend you, as I think that is why we all come here. What you will find is that what George Lucas used as inspiration for his made-up religion in the Star Wars movies, is based on several ideas from real life religions, and those points are what draw us here, as they resonate with what we feel is the right path. Using the term Jedi, or Jediism is just a way to mix those eastern and western influences into one fluid belief system, and give it a name.


Clif Note version: Your title is confrontational, but you make some good points.

The title it a statement; it was designed to get a reaction from people, get them to click the post.
If you check out the actual content of the first post, you'll see that there is nothing to "defend" or "confront"; I was asking for people's thoughts on a subject that has been of interest to me over this past couple of years.
Insofar as "finding a path", I walk a path- one dubbed "The Path through the Forest" for a book by the same name. If you've ever walked a forest path, sometimes you still need to get out the old map and compass and take a bearing, make sure it's still taking you where you want to go.
I am always seeking new knowledge, and I use a variety of tools to get it; occasionally a challenging title

Besides, if I have "thrown down the gauntlet" as a guest, there seem to be many members willing to pick it up, regardless of that status!

may awen be with you

Without reading all the posts and only going by the thread title....all religions are fiction, it's the moral and ethical lessons within that are most important, does it matter if they use a story to teach them? Not to me, nor to many others...

Mareeka wrote: I have never seen Star Wars.

so that's what living under palpy's like

Brenna wrote:

Mareeka wrote:
I have never seen Star Wars.

but but but.... how will you understand the jokes and bad puns?!

by the laughter

&

and the listening to its source

I really haven't kept up with the news, but I read in the last couple of weeks that new research has determined Jesus was "made up" by the Romans to control the Jews. Jews were at the time expecting a warrior Mesiah, someone who would lead a military revolution against the Romans, so it made sense to make up Jesus to shift the paradygm from military revolution to a revolution of jewish caste, which in turn would weaken the Jews in power.

So, while not a certainty, this could signify that much of Christianity is built on fiction. Does that invalidate its message?

Exactly....it's the message that matters, unfortunately the message is getting lost in the quagmire of self importance and politics that has become the current form of many old religions...


And I still hold that pope benedict looks like palpatine :evil:

And while not catholic or christian I do like this new pope...the latest news is that he likes to dress in regular priest robes and sneak out of the vatican to minister the homeless/impoverished....

Manu wrote: I really haven't kept up with the news, but I read in the last couple of weeks that new research has determined Jesus was "made up" by the Romans to control the Jews. Jews were at the time expecting a warrior Mesiah, someone who would lead a military revolution against the Romans, so it made sense to make up Jesus to shift the paradygm from military revolution to a revolution of jewish caste, which in turn would weaken the Jews in power.

So, while not a certainty, this could signify that much of Christianity is built on fiction. Does that invalidate its message?

Yeah, a book tour with no scholarly source or evidence unless you pay.

I did a thing on this with a friend of mine, and I think I covered in on this site.

Now I ain't a christian, lol. But I do know my history and archaeology.

The shit you're referring too was worse than that utter crap zietgiest

sidvkili wrote:

Manu wrote: I really haven't kept up with the news, but I read in the last couple of weeks that new research has determined Jesus was "made up" by the Romans to control the Jews. Jews were at the time expecting a warrior Mesiah, someone who would lead a military revolution against the Romans, so it made sense to make up Jesus to shift the paradygm from military revolution to a revolution of jewish caste, which in turn would weaken the Jews in power.

So, while not a certainty, this could signify that much of Christianity is built on fiction. Does that invalidate its message?

Yeah, a book tour with no scholarly source or evidence unless you pay.

I did a thing on this with a friend of mine, and I think I covered in on this site.

Now I ain't a christian, lol. But I do know my history and archaeology.

The shit you're referring too was worse than that utter crap zietgiest

Could you provide a link to where you covered it on this site?

I know what he's talking about!

I saw something someone said somewhere like "it doesn't matter if it's fiction if you believe it". I believe it was a PhD Psychologist who was studying DMT and it's effect on people. I guess the fact that people on DMT experience something that transforms their life is what matters, and not that it's not real. Does that make sense? Anyway you can see the documentary here:


Anyway, as far as this relating to Jediism, someone said earlier in this thread that you might benefit from reading Joseph Campbell's myth/hero seris... I agree completely. After you've done that, the answer to your question can best be expressed in a song: