Questions About Jediism

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09 Sep 2013 09:34 #117768 by Akkarin
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?


2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?


3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?


4. What happens when we die?


5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?


6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?


7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

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09 Sep 2013 09:48 #117770 by sidvkili
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they never said which 7 lol. So here I go:

1. Depends on what you take from what's provided. If you're intending to use it on a philosophical path then it can work and if you're planning a religious path... I guess XD. I'm kidding it can work a religion too.

2. Nope, Sith.... what?


3. For me? It means I am more attuned with the energy of the universe, whether that be some spiritual metaphysical energy or the energy of society and life itself.

4. I'll get back to you on that after I die.

5. Films? yes ( original because I'm a fancy prick like that) . Books?... I read a blurb once...

6. Never really got into the fan culture. However I think that the extremities of the fans have been exxagerated to almost encompass the term "Star Wars Fan".

7. That would depend on the people who take Jediism as a religion and that again would depend on each individual.

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09 Sep 2013 10:01 - 09 Sep 2013 10:02 #117771 by steamboat28
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?

I believe that, much like Buddhism, it is a religion based around a philosophy. I believe that it's possible to take the philosophy and leave the religion, but not to take the religion and leave behind the philosophy.

2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?

Yes. I would classify myself as a philosophical Jedi, for the most part.

3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?

To me, it means acknowledging that there is an essence of something greater in scope than ourselves. That we are all connected, bound together by something that is us and yet is not us. It means to be aware of that connection, and to give respect to others based upon it.

4. What happens when we die?

I guess we'll find out, won't we?

5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?

I am, for the most part. I'm a huge fan of the original trilogy, and I enjoyed the prequels on a storytelling scale, even if I wasn't as excited about them as others were. I haven't read many of the books, but the games have all been good, too.

6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?

They're pretty devoted, really geeky, and mostly alright.

7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

To the extent that the films showcased the foundational philosophies that religious Jedi currently adhere to, yes. There has been a great deal of theological extrapolation outside of the films, however, so "real-world" Jedi are and (simultaneously) are not anything like their film counterparts. I believe that religious Jedi should view the films at least once to understand the foundation from which this religion grew.
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09 Sep 2013 10:19 #117772 by Proteus
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?

Both and neither.
It is a realization.


2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?

Yes and no.


3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?

It means to accept what is, let go of what is, and learn to use the beneficial aspects of what is to work for you in that state of acceptance.


4. What happens when we die?

The same thing that happens to a star.


5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?

Sure. However, the relevance to Jediism is anything but specific to me.


6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?

Good for you, as long as you do not hang yourself up on the metaphors themselves.


7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

No.

It seems that I know that I know.
What I would like to see is the 'I' that knows me when I know that I know that I know.
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09 Sep 2013 10:23 - 09 Sep 2013 10:27 #117773 by Alexandre Orion
1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?

Both. There are aspects of religion insomuch as it is a point of encounter for people seeking spiritual unity. Unity here means only a sense of belonging - to not feel spiritually isolated. The Jedi religion, or as far as it is practised in the TotJO, does not require that "unity" come at the price of spiritual or cognitive liberty ; only that respect for individual interpretations of our doctrines be respected.

Jediïsm draws from many philosophical schools. It is very much based on Taoism/Zen Buddhism - but more on the abstraction of "common sense" concepts that dominate daily life. Western philosophical traditions enter into the Jediïst philosophy as well : empiricism, metaphysics, epistemology as well as scepticism (methodical doubt).


2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?

Most certainly.

3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?

Much as in believing that there is an underlying yet all inclusive reality which cannot be known rationally. One can perceive it, but not by the immediate and interpreted stimulation of the physical senses, more by receptivity when the mind is calmed and thus not distracted by the automatic symbolism (names) which conduct our lives.

4. What happens when we die?

We'll find out then ...

5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?

I enjoyed the films.

6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?

It is the same as my attitude about fan culture around anything. If it serves as someone's focus of interest for leisure, then why not ? On the other hand, if it is one's way of living vicariously through pre-packaged fantasy, that may indicate deeper problems.

7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

Only in that it is a classic example of modern myth, or a modern re-telling of classical myth ; the hero's adventure for modern audiences. There are many contemporary films which do that (cf. Christopher Vogler). Jediïsm is not dependent on the Star Wars saga for any aspect of its theory or practice. In all honesty, Star Wars was dependent on Jediïsm as our principles have been in practice in diverse forms for millennia ...

Chaque homme a des devoirs envers l'homme en tant qu'homme.
~ Henri Bergson
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09 Sep 2013 12:09 #117780 by ren
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?

A religion. To me, being religious means a lot more than being philosophical. Religion is beyond wonder: It is certainty. To me, the Force isn't a theory, it's a certainty. Philosophy is an exploration of the possibilities. While Jediism is philosophical, it is not exclusively philosophical. Also Jediism has the "organized religion" aspect, even if compared to other religions, it is in its infancy.


2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?

Yes.


3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?

It means to be able to see beyond the physical. To appreciate the connections between all things, to see everything as a chaotic-looking yet harmonious ONE.

4. What happens when we die?

When we die, we become one with the Force. Our ego (what we humans commonly call life) is what makes people believe we are separate from the Force. When we die, our ego ceases to be, and everything that we were becomes once again an integral part of the Force and its never ending cycles.


5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?

No. I'm not a fan. There are things I like about Star Wars. My favourite Star Wars character is "Kreia" from a VideoGame. However I find the characters in the movies under-developed and the teddy bears/jar-jar/other creatures rather annoying.

6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?

I don't really care about it. I'm not a roleplayer or geek so I don't have the books, robes, a lightsaber and I don't go to conventions. But I don't mind people who do. They spend their time loving a movie/book/game franchise. Many people seem to spend their free time doing far worse things than that.
I am not keen however on Jediism being linked with Star Wars fandom (as strange as this may sound).

7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

Not at all. The films do not give us much "food" when it comes to religion, only a very basic idea (and our name). Although Jediism is still recent, it has already outgrown what is found in star wars. Our doctrine uses only 1 thing from star Wars: The Jedi code... And that code comes from games, not from the movies. Besides this,our beliefs and training programmes do not involve material from the Star Wars universe.

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09 Sep 2013 13:39 #117787 by Archon
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?

Jediism, to me, is both. Much of the philosophical study within the Temple of the Jedi Order (TOTJO) is designed not to teach a particular viewpoint of doctrine but to encourage each member to find their own. I spent five months looking inward at what I really want to be. I'm still discovering interesting parts of my mentality that I was unaware of and will likely keep finding more until I die. The religious aspect of TOTJO's beliefs are found in my belief of the Force, explained in question 3.


2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?

Yes. I do often.


3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?

The Force is a word. What the word means to each of us is different. Some believe that the Force is an extension of divine energy, like God, Yahweh, Allah, or other deities. Others believe it is a field of energy that flows through us all. My interpretation is that the Force is created by everything and is the energy of interconnectedness. Through the Force we are connected like cells in the human body. For me, the Force whispers to me. I can still my mind and listen or choose to do something different.


4. What happens when we die?

I am not sure. I have not been dead yet. :)


5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books? I enjoyed the films from a cinematic point of view, appreciated a lot of the futuristic mechanical advantages they enjoy, like the spacecraft, replacement limbs, medical advances, and the cultural differences between truly different races (not like we humans do based on race, ancestry, gender, etc).


6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?

I am indifferent to the fan culture, though there is little SW fan culture where I am from. I haven't had a problem with the few I have met.


7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

No. I believe that a person that has not seen the films could join with ease. They would have no preconceived notions to break, allowing them to study without the influence of the films.

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09 Sep 2013 15:21 #117798 by Raikoutenshi
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?
Jediism is both religion and philosophy. Their are those of us who have Jediism as our sole religion and their are others who belong to other religions and see Jediism as a philosophical "add on" to another religion.


2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?
Without hesitation.


3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?
Belief in the Force is belief in a unifying energy in all things. One is all and all is one, the Force is the all and I am the one. For us Jedi we choose to call it the Force with an understanding that it can go by many names. Believing in the Force is compatible with any other religion and has much to do with the inner self.


4. What happens when we die?
Our energy continues to flow throughout the Force to be put to some other use. The energy within our bodies has been used countless times before we used it and will be used again infinitely after our deaths.


5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?
Yes. I quite enjoy the movies and the development of the characters in them.


6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?
I'm fairly unaffected by it and have little opinion of it. I've seen the movies but that is about it.


7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?
The Star Wars films only serve two purposes in Jediism; to give a name to our beliefs, and to serve as another myth to study. The religion is not based on Star Wars and does not have ties to the cinematic or literary universe of Star Wars.

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09 Sep 2013 16:27 #117804 by JohnsonMD
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1. Do you think that the traits of Jediism is a religion or philosophy?

A philosophy. Religion denotes some sort of worship outside (or in conjunction with) faith. I have faith that my car will start, but I don't worship it - thus it's not a religion. Note that I do not believe that there is anything wrong with it being a philosophy.

2. Would you describe yourself as a Jedi?

Only insomuch as that such a title could be ascribed to an individual who lives a certain lifestyle adhering to those things that it is said a Jedi should adhere to.

3. What does it mean to believe in the Force?

That would depend entirely upon how one defines the Force. That said, to believe in it is simply to endorse a line of thought that holds true to your definition.

4. What happens when we die?

That would depend on your point of view. Jedi? Christian? Muslim? Jew? You will find different answers for each and even different answers among the same...

5. Are you a fan of the Star Wars films and books?

Yes.

6. What is your attitude towards fan culture around Star Wars?

It's a good thing to have such a dedicated fan-base. Issues arise when genre's are gaped or bridged to create a Star Wars-esque hybrid, but normally this is not an issue.

7. Is Star Wars films important for Jediism as a religion?

Yes, very much so.

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09 Sep 2013 17:36 #117808 by Desolous
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i liked johnson cuz he put almost verbatim what i would have put, except i would have spelled 'gapped' correctly.

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