Will the Pyre burn???

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16 Sep 2020 13:43 #354692 by Carlos.Martinez3
The Pyre -

It’s symbol and picture can bring much to the heart, mind, and soul sometimes.

It’s idea is simple. Burn the remains - how and where and when can vary and the differences can be - overwhelming.
As Modern day Jedi I ask my Temple...

Please note this discussion is on the Topic of death. The purpose is NEVER to make people uncomfortable but to talk about the real things in life. The Modern day stuff as well as the spiritual and philosophical and mental...


Will you Pyre when you go?

I understand location - ordinances - thing like that - “I live in a apartment “- real life stuff some times ya can’t- understandable / but will there be some fire burning at the end of this path here with us? Will you take the Pyre escort to the next... do you even think about it? Council ? Knights ? Knights - Apprentices- members - guests - any one and every one - what’s real and what’s not- what would you like and what WILL you do when that time comes? What cultures do we share that type of parallel - if any? Tell me what ya know and share - because that’s what we really do here is - share. May the Force continue to find those who seek it. It happens every day.

So - go... smiley face

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16 Sep 2020 15:44 #354695 by Skryym
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Ordinances are tough. I can't be buried on my own land that's been in my family for 4 generations. I think there'd be some laws against someone throwing my body on a pile of wood and torching it.

That said, I plan on being at least cremated. It's not just for symbolic reasons - it's also cheaper and more space-efficient.

To be honest, I have never thought of using fire for mourning the dead. When my grandmother died I was 2000 miles away and couldn't fly back to attend the funeral, so I thought of her when I planted trees. When my music teacher died I played music. Now I keep their memories alive by thinking of them when I bake pies, plant trees, and play music. Fire, though, has symbolic value that I have not yet embraced. The images of Nordic chieftain's funerals, where a flaming pyre burns itself down into lake, is a hauntingly beautiful that is always at the back of my mind (though it is less beautiful for the slaves - willing or unwilling - sacrificed along with the chieftain). Fire can give a sense of peace and finality - and I think it's more for the living than for the deceased. The dead chieftain won't care if he sinks to the bottom of the lake in a ball of flames - but the people will always remember his passing. I suppose in that light it doesn't matter whether or not I am cremated - but if my loved ones feel better celebrating my death by drinking around a small fire - then that's how I want it to play out.

So if death takes you, Carlos (god forbid), I'll make a small fire of cedar and purslane. If I pass, please burn a little bit of juniper, oak, and chestnut (if you can get your hands on it). If Eqin passes, I'll burn mesquite :lol:

Now I have to go think of all the different types of wood I would burn in honor of my friends and loved ones.

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16 Sep 2020 21:04 #354701 by Rosalyn J
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I spend a lot of time thinking about death. What will happen when I die? What will I do when other people die? I know that I don't like funerals and I don't like graveyards, so I'd like to avoid all of that and make my last ceremony a celebration.

I'd like to be cremated and the ashes used to plant an oak tree.

When I think about that I think about the Lion King and I just want to make sure that my death brings some life.
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17 Sep 2020 08:07 #354717 by Eqin Ilis
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I used to think about death. A lot. It was almost an obsession. My mom used to be a visiting nurse, going to the houses of old people on hospice. I made a lot of friends who were very old. Most of them died when I was still a kid. I asked my grandma about death, what she would want someday. She never liked to talk about it much and would get really short on the topic of funerals. She said it didn't matter to her what we did, because she wouldn't be there for it. What's always mattered to her is the afterlife. I don't agree with her views on it, because it sounds terrible to me, but it brings her comfort, so I say nothing. She lost a lot of people when she was young, too. Her first husband and baby in one car accident, her sister in another. So I always kinda wondered what I would want. Now that I've dealt with the death of both parents, I understand my grandma's feelings on funerals.

Funerals are real expensive. I come from an upbringing that doesn't have a lot. I care deeply about what happens to my loved ones, whether I am here to see it or not. I don't really care about what happens to my body after I'm done with it. So I tell them to save their money on the burial/cremation. Do whatever is cheapest in the economy they find themselves. I have life insurance. I want them to be able to use that for whatever helps them. If it's a party, a vacation, a new move, a new career, or just extra savings, that's all up to them. I just want them happy. I hope I leave them in better circumstances than I found them, no matter how good things were at the beginning. I hope the memories I leave behind have some value to the people who meet me, and hopefully it's better than "that one idiot I never want to be like." ;-)

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A child stolen is a hope lost. - Sphere of Influence, Clone Wars Series
Those who enforce the law must obey the law. - The Academy, Clone Wars Series
Love comes in all shapes and sizes. - Hunt for Ziro, Clone Wars Series
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17 Sep 2020 14:06 #354729 by Carlos.Martinez3

Skryym wrote: Ordinances are tough. I can't be buried on my own land that's been in my family for 4 generations. I think there'd be some laws against someone throwing my body on a pile of wood and torching it.

That said, I plan on being at least cremated. It's not just for symbolic reasons - it's also cheaper and more space-efficient.

To be honest, I have never thought of using fire for mourning the dead. When my grandmother died I was 2000 miles away and couldn't fly back to attend the funeral, so I thought of her when I planted trees. When my music teacher died I played music. Now I keep their memories alive by thinking of them when I bake pies, plant trees, and play music. Fire, though, has symbolic value that I have not yet embraced. The images of Nordic chieftain's funerals, where a flaming pyre burns itself down into lake, is a hauntingly beautiful that is always at the back of my mind (though it is less beautiful for the slaves - willing or unwilling - sacrificed along with the chieftain). Fire can give a sense of peace and finality - and I think it's more for the living than for the deceased. The dead chieftain won't care if he sinks to the bottom of the lake in a ball of flames - but the people will always remember his passing. I suppose in that light it doesn't matter whether or not I am cremated - but if my loved ones feel better celebrating my death by drinking around a small fire - then that's how I want it to play out.

So if death takes you, Carlos (god forbid), I'll make a small fire of cedar and purslane. If I pass, please burn a little bit of juniper, oak, and chestnut (if you can get your hands on it). If Eqin passes, I'll burn mesquite :lol:

Now I have to go think of all the different types of wood I would burn in honor of my friends and loved ones.


When I do...
Burn the Cedar - Plant and eat the Purslane. Smiley face I hope it rains that day or any day of my remembrance... That's where you can find me now and after I am gone.

In my very own practice I use fire for a number of things. I learned by simply sharing.

My first American Chestnut will be called Skrymm



In reality, I dont think my body will make the actual Pyre but as it stands now, cremation, then fire. Its more practical process for us where we are at right now... My friends have been warned to burn the beacons and light them for me one good time when they like after I'm gone.
Funny thing about America, rules are often written and can be unwritten. I know of a few people in Texas who had to put a church and create Licences and everything just to create a cemetery on their own land. Now its sanctioned and tended and legal for them to lay with their family on their own land. You can buy the rights to land one at a time or all at once, ya gotta know how to play your cards at time, what a shame. I dont ever recommend anytime doing anything illegal, seek out what ya like but always make sure friend. It actually happens in America often. Always seek... there's a form for almost everything at times.
Thanks for the time and effort here friend and may the Force be with you.

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17 Sep 2020 14:14 - 17 Sep 2020 14:15 #354730 by Carlos.Martinez3

Rosalyn J wrote: I spend a lot of time thinking about death. What will happen when I die? What will I do when other people die? I know that I don't like funerals and I don't like graveyards, so I'd like to avoid all of that and make my last ceremony a celebration.

I'd like to be cremated and the ashes used to plant an oak tree.

When I think about that I think about the Lion King and I just want to make sure that my death brings some life.


www.thelivingurn.com/pages/tree-zip-code

www.bing.com/videos/search?q=plant+your+...C44E28BFBC&FORM=VIRE


I seems no matter where I go, death is a constant Modern day Jedi and Humans in General.
Is this what ya meant?


I cant lie, in my own garden I have a willow I call Ross.

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18 Sep 2020 06:19 - 18 Sep 2020 06:20 #354751 by Adder
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Not into burning the actual remains as a practise. I tend to view the pyre concept and scenes as burning of the practitioners spiritual/religious implements, be it armor, robe, helmet etc.
Symbolising moving on in their path from those ritual implements as if they have completed their purpose and been subsumed as part of passage of the spirit of the deceased. As for the bodies, I prefer to have them laid to rest somewhere that the person would like to be during a visit to this 'plane' of existence (for want of better lingo or context (maybe just for the people left over to connect)).

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