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Oath of Confidence
There is no right and wrong in all this, only how we all see things...
I see a blue dress, you see a white dress... lol...
in the end, no matter who a person is, you are right, no one should be treated rudely...
And, also no matter what, we shouldnt be offended at every little thing either...
I guess we all still have work to do, lolololol....
This spoiler stuff is just me having a conversation and analyzing... I do this or my own actions (as I am aware of them) and for everything else... I m brutally honest with myself (I feel about everything) except perhaps [strike]how handsome I am[/strike], er, my weight issues...
I did not change my stance and belief...I simply reached a point in my life where I can entertain, suggest, muse and participate better than I once could.
This comes with age for us all... lol...
If you don't have offices clearly defined or structured.....why do you have oaths for them?
Because when the next IP changes happen, this same type comment will come up, and the answer is, it the best we had at the time...
Better to have a half-finished something, than nothing to offer...
B: If they are going to be so generalized and individualistic....why not just allow the member to create their own thus making it more meaningful / spiritual to them.
At the time, specific wording was required for membership... Maybe that will change someday... As for the specific wording...
Change, like is being wanted, is a fine dance between there needing to be one, and doing it for something to do...
It was done for a reason, and for some of us, there is still a reason, if the majority, then it will stay, if not, then it will change... Simple as that, :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
I extended an offer to you to volunteer and help out, since I have no job and no shortage of free time, but it was met with silence. Is it because I am neither an apprentice nor a knight? Need I jump through hoops just in order to help you/other people in this community jump through less?
Quite likely, I ask that you greet people... This is the most helpful thing here, yet fewer people do it, than those who ask me how to help... Crazy, huh? Hopefully, you took my advice...
(after a quick check) I dont see your name in m/any threads, so I can only figure you thought I meant in the chat or something? idk, lol... Thats cool, Kamizu loves chatting in there too! lol... Oh, and the wall, dont forget it...
Because we do like people who have spent a lot of time to be the ones doing things... But, like the young man at my work, he doesnt want all the little detail jobs, he wants the high action/profile jobs, so do many others, lol...
Gotta earn the other jobs by showing you want to really help those you are helping, and not as a "see me" type thing... Just in general, not saying that is you...
I did in fact leave this community for a time and eventually came back. The first time I mentioned the name change was after I returned. The hoops were no deterrent for me, it was the implication that it would mean more unnecessary work for you, which you have publicly stated your disdain for.
So, I am requested a few times a week to do something, and I generally feel I have no issues with it...
Person A comes to me with a request, never met this person, dont know anything about them, they have only lurked for a bit...
Person B, has been here a while, had some troubles, reported a person, been reported by people not all bad, just that they were having some trouble, normal life stuff, a few things maybe that required some intervention, but noting terrible... Ask for a lot of favors, needed several name changes, or just been a controversial person in the forum... (not one person, pick some characteristics)...
Now, who would you be more 'on guard' about? Who is going to set your radar off, and put you on guard when you see their name in your inbox?
So, perhaps i was rude to you, and, I apologize, I am human...
But, I would never let that interfere with my work, I still do my job stuff... ... But, I can see why someone might not want to talk to me... There are other Councillors who could have ask me for someone who is not liking my style, lol...
Look at how you were when you left, how was I to react to how you were, and I know you, or how you were then, and we had talked little, less? Ever been a bartender, server, in the public eye, with folks needing things from you? Sometimes, my shield slips, ...
I deal with people who want things from me all the time, and I do have help now, thank you for asking, but, I am still kinda pivotal, as we dont want a bunch of people bouncing around in the admin section... lol...
Edan, J_Roz, Elizabeth, Brenna, Alex, Weslci, (and may others) all have offered to step in and field questions and things at various times due to my 'attitude', and I have let others, but I can only do that when I know I ma doing it, and thats after some poor person "gets it with both barrels", and I will never say I am have a reality check, Ive already put some feelers out so I can do a quick check, and not from people who necessarily like me... lol...
Anyway, if there was a problem with me, any other Councillor would be glad to help, and even if they cannot change the rank (or whatever) and I have to do it, they will be glad to help... If I am as wise as i hope I am, I can take the criticism, make adjustments, if i agree, and continue to do my job... Did you contact another member of Council? a Knight?
Just as I have folks who hesitate to contact me, you and Steamboat do too, (well all do, but we seem to be monopolizing the conversation, lol), and if you were in my position, what would you do?
If there was a loud cry for my resignation, i would... I promise... [
And no one is ever a problem for my day....
It has been said to me, by {this individual} that they know how they come across, and they do so to emphasis points, or get a message through, start some conversation, or something like that...
I can do that, and have, but, it is not my default... Only a few have gotten my attitude intentionally...
You werent one...
On walk-about...
Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....
"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching
Rite: PureLand
Former Memeber of the TOTJO Council
Master: Jasper_Ward
Current Apprentices: Viskhard, DanWerts, Llama Su, Trisskar
Former Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Knight Edan, Knight Brenna, Knight Madhatter
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Jestor wrote: Quite likely, I ask that you greet people... This is the most helpful thing here, yet fewer people do it, than those who ask me how to help... Crazy, huh? Hopefully, you took my advice...
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Because we do like people who have spent a lot of time to be the ones doing things... But, like the young man at my work, he doesnt want all the little detail jobs, he wants the high action/profile jobs, so do many others, lol...
Gotta earn the other jobs by showing you want to really help those you are helping, and not as a "see me" type thing... Just in general, not saying that is you...
Certainly. But greeting people is not the work you complain about having too much of to do. Read what I said again: I never asked to do "look at me" kind of volunteer work. I said I have no job and an abundance of free time, and in the context of our discussion (being overworked), that I can help with that if you want. Nothing more. I actually prefer not to do "visible" kind of work, as just about any place I've volunteered with IRL can attest. I prefer to go unnoticed. Recognition is not what I seek. To do good is what I seek. Simply knowing that I've done that is a million times better than any reward or recognition anyone else could ever give me.
Person A comes to me with a request, never met this person, dont know anything about them, they have only lurked for a bit...
Person B, has been here a while, had some troubles, reported a person, been reported by people not all bad, just that they were having some trouble, normal life stuff, a few things maybe that required some intervention, but noting terrible... Ask for a lot of favors, needed several name changes, or just been a controversial person in the forum... (not one person, pick some characteristics)...
I know that you're basically talking about me as "Person B," and while I'm going to go ahead and say that you're grossly mischaracterizing and misremembering things... you want to know who I'd be more on guard about? Person A. I know nothing about them. Person A could be a complete psychopath. They could also be a saint. At least with Person B, I know what I'm getting into and know that they clearly need help. I know what setting to put my phaser on already. Person A is a blank slate and could be anything. I believe in people's inherent goodness, but I've seen "Person As" go bad quickly.
Just as I have folks who hesitate to contact me, you and Steamboat do too, (well all do, but we seem to be monopolizing the conversation, lol), and if you were in my position, what would you do?
People hesitate to contact me? This is an interesting fact. I was not aware any people had a reason to want to contact me at all. I'm inconsequential. On the margins, at best. I am, as I explained in the thread about people feeling unimportant here, unimportant. Really. If someone wants to prove me wrong, they're welcome to do so, but until then, I am dubious about this assertion. Sorry.
If there was a loud cry for my resignation, i would... I promise...
No one has called for it. I'm glad you serve us in the capacity you do. But I said in my other post, if the work you do makes you miserable enough to lash out at people and say you're "losing your cool" because of them, why do it? That's not really fair to them, and that's not really fair to you. And it's not other people you should be most worried about in that case, it's yourself.
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Jestor wrote: This comes with age for us all... lol...[/color]
Ugggg....Don't I know it... lol
....it the best we had at the time...
Re-quoting You - "....but, things change... "
Id say alot has changed since the past and from what I have seen a good number of folks have asked for change in the Simple Oath.
Just sayin
I feel that Teachers can better monitor Students with meaningful Reflections than Administration can monitor Initiate parroted oaths.
Anyways! I have said my peace. I just wanted to clear up my part as was mentioned. Change comes, but not over night! *bows*
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